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church on the game-changer radio network

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you're listening to fade to black with

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Jimmy judge on the game changing Network

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good evening say to block the spoke

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radio for the masses sighs yeah hi you

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too it

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today's Tuesday January 21st twenty

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Twenty twenty one days into the new year

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only three hundred and forty five days

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we are live from a bunker somewhere in

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the middle of beautiful downtown Burbank

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California and I would like to welcome

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everybody listening all around the world

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across the United States hither and

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thither to and fro back and forth up and

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this is fade to black for kjc are the

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planets I'm yours Jim you Church what is

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crackin how you doing what's cracking

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everybody all right

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tonight very special guest Daniel P

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Sheehan is here man yeah tonight

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gonna be a great show kind of a brief

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conversation and then we're gonna open

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up the phone lines tomorrow night with

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all of you and Kimberly so that's

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tomorrow night Thursday nights another

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Fator night with open lines all night

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long follow me on twitter @ JT radio

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absurd IANA D you can stop right there

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at J Church radio and the conversations

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exist in the sandbox hashtag f to be on

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twitter that's what you want to do get

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yourself TweetDeck make your life easy

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get TweetDeck but anyway hashtag f2 B is

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the sandbox on Twitter hashtag F to be Q

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is fade to black questions for myself or

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tonight with Daniel Sheehan you can post

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your stuff right there we also have to

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and one over at kg are a the planet I'm

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reminded of there was a moment and I'm

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in the desert 2014 2015 Daniel Sheehan

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is speaking and one person after another

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Daniel Sheehan were you there for that

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conference it was the talk of the

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conference and it's the reason why I go

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back to that he connected that at that

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conference you didn't have people coming

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so-and-so or did you see so-and-so just

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Sheehan he has a way of speaking and

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that I understand it I really do when

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you get into his history and his

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biography and then realize the

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accomplishments and the things that he

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had done by such a young age and how

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focused he was and I'm talking about for

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civil rights legal issues the presidency

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itself all the way up through the

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Supreme Court and the White House and

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his impact on this community and country

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it cannot be measured and that is Daniel

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P Sheehan will probably get some serious

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UFO talking tonight as we always do with

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Daniel he is a graduate of Harvard Law

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School a former director of the Christic

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politics at the University of California

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co-director for the Institute of

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cooperation in space mr. Sheehan has

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also had a long and distinguished

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history as a public interest counsel and

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was legal counsel in the Pentagon Papers

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case the iran-contra scandal Three Mile

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Island and a Karen Silkwood as well as

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many other high-profile cases he's

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probably working on some right now

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he shares the responsibility for

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formulation of a new world view

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integrating into all of the classical

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fields of human knowledge and is the now

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virtually universally accepted fact of

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the existence of extraterrestrial

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intelligence I would like to welcome

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back to fade to black Daniel P she and

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Danny good evening how are you young man

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hey hey Jimmy it's good to be here

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I'm way up way up in South Dakota on the

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Pine Ridge through the reservation said

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to meet with the Tribal Council tomorrow

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morning and a big a big case I'm glad to

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glad to be in spirit down there in lost

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you're always stirring up trouble and in

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in the right way and you've always

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managed to find it too as well as pretty

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incredible we've gone over so much of

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that in the past but I actually want to

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ask you a question that I've never asked

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you before Believe It or Not which is

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this at what point did you especially

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when you're dealing with law libraries

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witnesses cases evidence everything that

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is in front of you but at what point did

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you steer off of that and start to

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ponder us right how we got here

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when did that start for you well

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actually actually what happened was that

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when after I graduated from Harvard Law

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School where I founded the Harvard civil

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rights law review with mark Greene out

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of New York I had been at the Cahill for

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him on Wall Street where as you

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mentioned I was one of the counsel on

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the Pentagon Papers case for the New

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York Times where we secured the right

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under the First Amendment to publish all

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47 volumes of the Pentagon Papers and I

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was one of the lead counsel on the case

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that established the right of

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journalists to protect their

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confidential news sources after I had

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done that at the Cahill firm I was

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recruited to come through the office of

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F lee Bailey Bailey had been his

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Bailey's office had been retained to

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represent James McCord in the Watergate

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burglary and James McCord as you may

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recall was the former CIA wiretapping

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specialist who actually blew the whistle

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revealing the existence of this covert

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operation that was going on on the White

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House and during that during that stay

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at Bailey's law firm I I was asked to by

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a classmate of mine from Harvard Law

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Civil Liberties Union in their Rocky

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Mountain States back in May of 1973

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who if I'd been there for almost a whole

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American Indian Movement had seized the

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small town of Wounded Knee on the Pine

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Ridge Indian Reservation and the Nixon

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administration had brought in military

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troops and surrounded them in this

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little town of Wounded Knee and had

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brought in sharpshooters and and tanks

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and armored personnel carriers etc in

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that he as legal counsel for the

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American Civil Liberties Union for the

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whole region wanted me to come in to

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help him figure out how to defend the

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members of the American Indian Movement

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and so I came in and was there for some

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two weeks working on that case helping

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to put together the motions that

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eventually generated the dismissal of

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leadership of the American Indian

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misconduct on the part of the FBI and

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the Justice Department etc for lying and

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fabricating evidence against them etc

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but I came back to the office that Lee

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Bailey's office in Boston and Lee gave

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me a call on the phone he said Danny

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said look I understand that you were out

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at Wounded Knee this past two weeks and

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you took your vacation and I said yes he

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said come on in my office

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let's talk so I went into the office and

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he said he said which side were you on

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and I said well actually I was amicus

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filing amicus briefs there's a friend of

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the court you know challenging the

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legality of some of the conduct on the

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part of the federal government in this

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case and he said you weren't supporting

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the FBI and the Justice Department and I

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said only to the extent to which they

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were conducting themselves legally and

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they weren't in many cases he said what

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the hell good does that do us he said

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you know if you at least been on the

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side of the FBI and the Justice

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Department we could have earned a bit of

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goodwill so you could have gone and

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helped negotiate a better sentence for

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example for one of our clients you know

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like the Angela brothers who are the

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Mafia in North Boston and I started to

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have a long conversation with Lee about

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you know what you know I had come to his

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office to try to get him to participate

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Justice cases to apply some of his

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considerable skills as the number one

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criminal defense attorney in the country

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at that time you know to to help people

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in need you know is that were being

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oppressed by government activity and it

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was illegal and unconstitutional he said

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he said he said look at no I I represent

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people you don't for pay and I do a very

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good job of it he said and you know that

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it's not my job to determine whether

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they're good guys are bad guys or

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whether they know commit a crime or they

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have it you know that sort of the jury I

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just give him the best possible defense

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that money can buy you know and I was

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trying to explain to him that there was

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another reason for being a lawyer

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another reason for believing and

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believing in law and understanding the

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deep nature of the source of law how old

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were you

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hey you're studying in earthlies athle

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Bailey's office the most powerful

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attorney in the United States maybe even

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in the known universe at that point and

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and you're attempting to school f lee

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Bailey at what age I was 28 1973 man so

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I just I just come out of the Cahill

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firm where I went in when I was 25 years

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old where I've represented the New York

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Times and I represented NBC News to

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establish Reuters journalists to protect

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their confidence from news sources

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I'd already helped found the Harvard

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civil rights law review you know I

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wasn't I wasn't awed by him I was I was

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trying to get him to to apply his skills

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and talents in in support of what I

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understood the law to really be all

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about that's right and see the

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perception Danny I'm gonna jump in

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because you know you ran over a point

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there that we need to circle back and

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address and that is if there is

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something that enrages public opinion

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about who and what an attorney is

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attorneys will always say hey it's just

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my job I may be guilty or naughty

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maybe a bad guy or not or she but that's

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not my concern

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I am paid to put up the best defense and

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those kinds of statements really enrage

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people yeah well I didn't know that but

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it's not even true I mean you know the

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fact I just I just had this conversation

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two weeks ago I got I got invited out to

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Las Vegas and people came out that we're

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talking about wanting to put up on a

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million dollar grant to do a major

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motion picture about a case I did you

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know where I I did the case that was

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attempting to get Charles V Harrelson a

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new trial for having been convicted of

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assassinating federal judge John wood

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down in Texas and you're talking about

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Woody Harrelson's down what he did yeah

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right and I went down in and I had won

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the motion to get him a new trial and

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and I they knew about this and they

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wanted to do a major documentary film

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about this because they had begun to

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suspect that he was in fact innocent

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which of course he was and and so they

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wanted me to participate in a major

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documentary film about that

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and it turns out that one of the major

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funders that was proposing that funding

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this his daughter was had just finished

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her first year in law school and she had

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got this Wisconsin had gone to work for

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a Las Vegas based criminal defense firm

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and she is starting to become

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disillusioned and she was thinking of

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leaving quitting law school and so I

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said no no I don't have her do that I

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have her come and talk to me so she came

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in the next morning and all of the

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potential funders that were part of this

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consortium it was going to put up 2

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million dollars all want a decision on

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this conversation and so I began to talk

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to this new second-year law student and

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explain to her what the law was really

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all about and to try to really

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understand what the mission was of

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dealing with the law as an interpreter

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of the law is an applier of the law and

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and so I had an opportunity as I said

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just two weeks ago to go through this

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story but when I tried to have this

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conversation with lee Bailey back in

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1973 I realized that we were you know

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the old proverbial two ships

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passing in the night or passing in a fog

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bank you know or not being able to see

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each other we're just you can completely

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communities caving on different levels

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just like you see now going out in the

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impeachment you got just two completely

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different worlds of the world you know

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Fox Television News and MSNBC sort of

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railing away at their respective

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positions and no no seeming relationship

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between the two and so that what I did

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is I had this conversation with Bailey

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and I wasn't able to convince him about

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this and I was saying I was staying at

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his his townhouse on Beacon Hill at the

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time he was married and lived lived

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outside of town outside of Boston with

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his new wife his third wife Linda and so

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I was staying in his townhouse and I

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went I went to church that Sunday

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morning it think Cecilia's and I was on

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the way back home and I stopped in at

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this bookshop which I tend to do on

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Sundays and after church I kind of

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wandered around in a bookstore see

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what's new and I ran into a John Rawls

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book his new book was out called a

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theory of Justice John Rawls was the

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chairman of the department of philosophy

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at Harvard University so I began to read

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for this theory of justice and he this

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was going to be his masterwork before he

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retired and he was going to explicate

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what he understood to be the basic

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understanding in Western culture of the

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theory of justice and he says at the

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beginning of the book that he thought

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that what he was going to end up

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discovering that when you were in a

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majoritarian democracy like the United

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States he had assumed that the mode of

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ethical reasoning that was going to be

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applied to try to resolve how you were

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going to select from among a range of

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possible solutions to a given public

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policy problem the society would tend to

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select that which generated the greatest

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good for the greatest number

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a classic majoritarian utilitarian mode

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of ethical reasoning John Stuart Mill

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utilitarianism he said but much to his

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surprise it wasn't true

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that he said if this were true as he put

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it then he said why isn't it true that

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the 90% of the people of the United

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States who are white don't still own the

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10% of them's are black he says what

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does this happen why

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is that that isn't what gets done and he

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said it was because of the existence of

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this other school of thought that he

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referred to as the intuitionist and in

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the intuitionist would say things like

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all men are created equal in their

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endowed by their creator with certain

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inalienable right to freedom of speech

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and freedom of religion and you know and

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going down the list right freedom of the

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press and and so I said to him I said

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well that's that's really fast I said to

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myself this is really fascinating

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it must that must be what's going on

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here I'm one of these kind of

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intuitionists but I so I bought the book

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and I read through it and I couldn't

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quite understand what it was it was

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motivating these intuitionists I

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couldn't he wasn't clear about what that

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was

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so that following Monday morning I call

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him up on this I call up his office over

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at Harvard you know I'd already

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graduated from Harvard College

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you know I studied with Henry Kissinger

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and you know done you know done my

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economics or there was Kenneth Galbraith

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and it you know studied you know and

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studied sociology under Henry Riesling

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you know all of these these classic

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figures and and I still wasn't able to

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answer these questions I didn't feel I

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didn't feel that I was actually I didn't

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have the vocabulary I didn't have the

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concept system to be able to explain

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this so I so I called him up on a call

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up his office and I said look you know I

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said you know my name is EC and you know

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I went to college and worked on the law

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school you know I was in Larry tribes

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first constitutional law class he ever

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taught you know I I did the Pentagon

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Papers I did the right of journals I

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started waiting my school ties through

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the phone you know hoping to secretly

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ever have a meeting with professor Rawls

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and so she said well let me let me talk

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to Professor Rawls he's awfully busy and

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I said let me just call me back see if I

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could get just 15 minutes with him

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sometime this week so she called me back

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about a half an hour later and she said

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okay you can come in Wednesday you can

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come in Wednesday afternoon at 1:00

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o'clock and you have like 15 minutes so

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i went over wednesday afternoon i sat

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down with him and started explaining to

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him who I was and what the cases were

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that I had done and what this conflict

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was that I was having with eppley daily

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and he was sitting there kind of is his

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jaw starting to drop

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saying that

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never had an experience for someone who

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was so deeply and intimately involved in

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these major confrontations in the legal

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system really expressed that kind of an

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abstract interest in justice and what

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the theories that were so he invited me

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to come back to Harvard University to

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study and get a PhD to do a PhD thesis

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you know basically helping him write a

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sequel to this book actually you know

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really a comparative analysis between

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majoritarian utilitarianism as a mode of

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ethical reasoning versus intuition ism

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because he too couldn't explain to me

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when I asked him what were you were you

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in the middle of your own paradigm shift

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I mean were you close no no I never I

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just wasn't able to articulate it I were

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able to articulate what it was for

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example to cause me when when I was in

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northern New York growing up in high

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school when I would walk out into the

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night a winter night and I'd look up and

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see a million endless stars in the Milky

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Way and I would just be completely awed

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and I was I would pick out a star and

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focus on it and see it's robbing there

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in the night saying wow there are there

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are planets going around that that star

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there's other beings walking around on

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that planet they're looking out into

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they're a nice guy and seeing our son

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what is astonishing that the way our

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human family conducts ourselves here on

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the planet where we like draw lines in

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the sand and if you step over my side

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I'm going to shoot hot LED into your

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body I'm going to use all my creative

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skills configure our weapons to kill you

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I said this is absurd it's so completely

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contradictory to the reality itself but

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I didn't I still didn't have any way of

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explaining that and so when I found

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myself sort of a loss of words to be

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able to effectively persuade f lee

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Bailey and I saw like what to have this

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talk with John Rolfe so he ends up

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inviting me to come back to Harvard to

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do the study so I I tell Bailey than I'm

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leaving and so I leave there in the fall

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in in September late September of 1973

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and I rien rolled at Harvard University

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and I thought I was going to be in the

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Department of Philosophy you know

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writing a PhD

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he's was under John Rolfe but he ended

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up having the enroll at the Harvard

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Divinity School where we're at Ralph

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Potter professor Ralph Potter was there

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and Ralph Potter taught the course at

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the graduate level on comparative social

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ethics comparing and contrasting

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different systematic ethical worldviews

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and so this was the first time that I'd

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ever discussed you know I said I did

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Henry Kissinger and out of all these big

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people got a Schlesinger James

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Schlesinger for history no nobody ever

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explained this stuff at all did you sit

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around i'm just envisioning i just have

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to ask did you sit around with your

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friends and and contemplate these very

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deep philosophical foundational

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questions linebacker i was a linebacker

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in college football you know and I just

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knew that you know you were coming on to

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my side in line you know and so I was I

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was people you mess you know I I just

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you know I was the captain of my

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football team in high school when I was

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a freshman you know I was the president

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of student council vice-president of the

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class that was all these things I just

544
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kept doing everything you were supposed

545
00:23:56,810 --> 00:23:55,020
to do as an American if they're telling

546
00:23:58,580 --> 00:23:56,820
that you know the famous story when I I

547
00:24:00,020 --> 00:23:58,590
was number one in the state of New York

548
00:24:02,330 --> 00:24:00,030
so the Air Force account in the

549
00:24:03,950 --> 00:24:02,340
appointment because I wanted I wanted to

550
00:24:05,780 --> 00:24:03,960
become an astronaut and go out into

551
00:24:07,790 --> 00:24:05,790
outer space and when I went to have the

552
00:24:08,750 --> 00:24:07,800
interview with Senator Jacob Javits in

553
00:24:10,580 --> 00:24:08,760
the heart

554
00:24:12,680 --> 00:24:10,590
I was I was number one in the state so

555
00:24:14,630 --> 00:24:12,690
yes interview the top five people and

556
00:24:16,430 --> 00:24:14,640
what he asked me why I wanted to go to

557
00:24:18,380 --> 00:24:16,440
the Air Force Academy I told him that I

558
00:24:19,880 --> 00:24:18,390
wanted to become an astronaut and he

559
00:24:23,030 --> 00:24:19,890
said he did one of these things oh yeah

560
00:24:24,860 --> 00:24:23,040
right every guy in 1963 right everyone

561
00:24:25,460 --> 00:24:24,870
all young American boys want to be an

562
00:24:26,720 --> 00:24:25,470
astronaut

563
00:24:29,180 --> 00:24:26,730
he says so why do you want to be an

564
00:24:31,040 --> 00:24:29,190
astronaut I said I get to have to go out

565
00:24:33,680 --> 00:24:31,050
into outer space so we can actually

566
00:24:35,420 --> 00:24:33,690
reach out and establish contact with

567
00:24:37,730 --> 00:24:35,430
these other beings from other star

568
00:24:46,820 --> 00:24:37,740
systems so he just sort of staring at me

569
00:24:48,710 --> 00:24:46,830
yes Jacob Javits you really believe that

570
00:24:52,040 --> 00:24:48,720
there's other life and other planets is

571
00:24:54,170 --> 00:24:52,050
that and I said I guess sure

572
00:24:55,940 --> 00:24:54,180
so to you your United States Senator you

573
00:24:57,680 --> 00:24:55,950
know you're not stupid you know you know

574
00:24:59,960 --> 00:24:57,690
there's life out there there has to be

575
00:25:02,960 --> 00:24:59,970
life out there and he was stunned and I

576
00:25:05,270 --> 00:25:02,970
said no I was only 18 years old at that

577
00:25:06,620 --> 00:25:05,280
time and I said you know so your United

578
00:25:08,990 --> 00:25:06,630
States said you have to realize that

579
00:25:11,840 --> 00:25:09,000
that's true and and he was so taken

580
00:25:13,550 --> 00:25:11,850
aback that he admitted to me that he had

581
00:25:15,470 --> 00:25:13,560
given the appointment to the United

582
00:25:17,990 --> 00:25:15,480
States Air Force Academy is a senatorial

583
00:25:20,780 --> 00:25:18,000
appointment to the son of one of his

584
00:25:23,180 --> 00:25:20,790
principal funders but he offered to send

585
00:25:25,280 --> 00:25:23,190
me to there to the Naval Academy to go

586
00:25:27,650 --> 00:25:25,290
to Annapolis I said I'm not into boats

587
00:25:29,750 --> 00:25:27,660
I'm into airplanes and I want to go into

588
00:25:31,730 --> 00:25:29,760
space he said no no you can go you can

589
00:25:33,860 --> 00:25:31,740
go to the Naval Academy and still fly I

590
00:25:35,870 --> 00:25:33,870
said yeah but I I'm not into the boats

591
00:25:37,130 --> 00:25:35,880
and then to them an airplane and so all

592
00:25:38,840 --> 00:25:37,140
right you can go get your appointment

593
00:25:41,180 --> 00:25:38,850
from the congressional representative

594
00:25:42,800 --> 00:25:41,190
you know he'll certainly give he says

595
00:25:45,470 --> 00:25:42,810
you're number one in all the categories

596
00:25:47,960 --> 00:25:45,480
so it turns out that the congressman

597
00:25:50,810 --> 00:25:47,970
gave the appoint his appointment to the

598
00:25:52,850 --> 00:25:50,820
son of the Republican mayor of Glens

599
00:25:55,250 --> 00:25:52,860
Falls you know in his congressional

600
00:25:57,470 --> 00:25:55,260
districts I said I said to myself whoa

601
00:25:59,360 --> 00:25:57,480
wait a second here I said this isn't

602
00:26:00,830 --> 00:25:59,370
working correctly at all this is not the

603
00:26:03,320 --> 00:26:00,840
way we were promised our government

604
00:26:05,570 --> 00:26:03,330
works there's something out of tune here

605
00:26:07,190 --> 00:26:05,580
fry so I decided I was going to have to

606
00:26:08,810 --> 00:26:07,200
become a lawyer I hadn't even thought

607
00:26:10,400 --> 00:26:08,820
about it up to that point I was gonna be

608
00:26:11,990 --> 00:26:10,410
an astronaut right get out of the outer

609
00:26:14,660 --> 00:26:12,000
space and get to meet the

610
00:26:16,490 --> 00:26:14,670
extra-terrestrial people so so I said

611
00:26:18,650 --> 00:26:16,500
yeah I'll have to become a lawyer but

612
00:26:20,180 --> 00:26:18,660
once I became a lawyer you know I went I

613
00:26:22,190 --> 00:26:20,190
got I got a full scholarship to Harvard

614
00:26:25,190 --> 00:26:22,200
College and their full scholarship to

615
00:26:27,290 --> 00:26:25,200
Harvard Law School when I came out I did

616
00:26:29,420 --> 00:26:27,300
when I saw the Pentagon Papers I was one

617
00:26:31,370 --> 00:26:29,430
of the first ones to see all 47 volumes

618
00:26:34,700 --> 00:26:31,380
of the top secret classified Pentagon

619
00:26:37,430 --> 00:26:34,710
Papers this deep secret internal study

620
00:26:39,410 --> 00:26:37,440
done by the RAND Corporation of the how

621
00:26:41,810 --> 00:26:39,420
we got into and how we conducted the

622
00:26:43,520 --> 00:26:41,820
Vietnam War and I saw all the stuff but

623
00:26:45,740 --> 00:26:43,530
the massive heroin smuggling that our

624
00:26:47,630 --> 00:26:45,750
CIA was involved in the massive

625
00:26:49,760 --> 00:26:47,640
political assassination program they had

626
00:26:52,610 --> 00:26:49,770
the Phoenix program and I said well I

627
00:26:54,620 --> 00:26:52,620
said wait a second things aren't just a

628
00:26:56,240 --> 00:26:54,630
little bit out of tune right our

629
00:26:58,640 --> 00:26:56,250
government this play is playing an

630
00:27:00,950 --> 00:26:58,650
entirely different song then we'd ever

631
00:27:03,260 --> 00:27:00,960
been told about and so somebody's got to

632
00:27:05,690 --> 00:27:03,270
do something about this and I figured I

633
00:27:06,380 --> 00:27:05,700
take some time and and fix that right

634
00:27:07,580 --> 00:27:06,390
get

635
00:27:09,410 --> 00:27:07,590
journalist right to protect their

636
00:27:11,570 --> 00:27:09,420
confidence and lose sources expose the

637
00:27:14,000 --> 00:27:11,580
Pentagon Papers get all that to happen

638
00:27:15,890 --> 00:27:14,010
and then I get to go back in and get to

639
00:27:18,260 --> 00:27:15,900
become an astronaut what you know it's

640
00:27:21,560 --> 00:27:18,270
wrong - I got detoured you know what she

641
00:27:29,090 --> 00:27:21,570
didn't do he should have got F lee

642
00:27:34,910 --> 00:27:29,100
Bailey to smoke a joint what I mean is

643
00:27:36,860 --> 00:27:34,920
and but but the problem is that Lee

644
00:27:39,800 --> 00:27:36,870
unfortunately was into whiskey and

645
00:27:42,140 --> 00:27:39,810
bourbon and hard liquor which was very

646
00:27:43,640 --> 00:27:42,150
bad for him overall you know and it

647
00:27:46,100 --> 00:27:43,650
wasn't something he kind of talked him

648
00:27:48,440 --> 00:27:46,110
out of and it was bad and he was into it

649
00:27:50,300 --> 00:27:48,450
who was his chief investigator you know

650
00:27:51,950 --> 00:27:50,310
and in the other guys that were in the

651
00:27:53,660 --> 00:27:51,960
major of the law firm we're into

652
00:27:55,670 --> 00:27:53,670
drinking hard liquor you know flying

653
00:27:57,800 --> 00:27:55,680
around in Lear Jets and and you know

654
00:27:59,780 --> 00:27:57,810
clapping waitresses and stewardesses and

655
00:28:01,760 --> 00:27:59,790
stuff like I was writing write stuff and

656
00:28:03,980 --> 00:28:01,770
so it was it wasn't the world I wanted

657
00:28:06,650 --> 00:28:03,990
to be involved in so when I when I got

658
00:28:09,020 --> 00:28:06,660
back to Harvard to do the PhD work I

659
00:28:10,480 --> 00:28:09,030
just got rid of studying with dr. Ralph

660
00:28:13,160 --> 00:28:10,490
Potter one of the most astonishing

661
00:28:16,010 --> 00:28:13,170
discoveries that I'd ever made and what

662
00:28:18,260 --> 00:28:16,020
he what he says he says look he was he

663
00:28:20,840 --> 00:28:18,270
was the direct protege of Talcott

664
00:28:22,220 --> 00:28:20,850
Parsons professor Talcott Parsons was

665
00:28:25,060 --> 00:28:22,230
the founder of the department of

666
00:28:28,340 --> 00:28:25,070
sociology at Harvard Law School preceded

667
00:28:31,130 --> 00:28:28,350
Riesman and all those guys and in what

668
00:28:33,350 --> 00:28:31,140
he discovered by by having thousands of

669
00:28:35,780 --> 00:28:33,360
his students over a period of some 45

670
00:28:39,140 --> 00:28:35,790
years interview tons of people all

671
00:28:41,810 --> 00:28:39,150
around the world and found out that he

672
00:28:44,570 --> 00:28:41,820
discovered that when our human family is

673
00:28:46,700 --> 00:28:44,580
confronted by a given public policy

674
00:28:48,470 --> 00:28:46,710
problem you know whether to use nuclear

675
00:28:50,570 --> 00:28:48,480
weapons and first strike or whether they

676
00:28:53,030 --> 00:28:50,580
have you know a capital punishment or

677
00:28:55,400 --> 00:28:53,040
whether to support abortion or you know

678
00:28:57,470 --> 00:28:55,410
whether for birth control or you know to

679
00:29:00,890 --> 00:28:57,480
support gay marriage in any of the major

680
00:29:02,870 --> 00:29:00,900
social controversies when a culture is

681
00:29:06,050 --> 00:29:02,880
confronted by one of these major social

682
00:29:09,230 --> 00:29:06,060
problems that what happens is our human

683
00:29:13,040 --> 00:29:09,240
community tends to divide itself up into

684
00:29:15,740 --> 00:29:13,050
factions and that he wrote a major

685
00:29:18,350 --> 00:29:15,750
thesis talking about this thing where he

686
00:29:20,150 --> 00:29:18,360
created the right left

687
00:29:22,310 --> 00:29:20,160
sociological bar

688
00:29:23,780 --> 00:29:22,320
grant it's where we get right-wingers in

689
00:29:25,460 --> 00:29:23,790
left wingers from that's where the

690
00:29:27,850 --> 00:29:25,470
concept comes from it comes from Telecom

691
00:29:31,970 --> 00:29:27,860
Parsons and he said you know that that

692
00:29:33,860 --> 00:29:31,980
he thought he thought that our human

693
00:29:36,830 --> 00:29:33,870
family would naturally divide ourselves

694
00:29:40,190 --> 00:29:36,840
up into basically five a different

695
00:29:42,580 --> 00:29:40,200
discrete distinct factions which all he

696
00:29:47,180 --> 00:29:42,590
referred them to his right systematic

697
00:29:49,310 --> 00:29:47,190
left systematists right marginalist and

698
00:29:53,480 --> 00:29:49,320
left marginalist and what he called

699
00:29:56,150 --> 00:29:53,490
middle marginalists and and so this was

700
00:29:58,910 --> 00:29:56,160
what this is what Ralph Potter was

701
00:30:01,310 --> 00:29:58,920
teaching and what he would do is he

702
00:30:04,940 --> 00:30:01,320
would he would have you as your master's

703
00:30:06,890 --> 00:30:04,950
thesis antecedent to your PhD thesis

704
00:30:09,830 --> 00:30:06,900
your masters thesis you would select one

705
00:30:12,500 --> 00:30:09,840
public policy problem and then you would

706
00:30:15,070 --> 00:30:12,510
do an analysis to find out where the

707
00:30:16,970 --> 00:30:15,080
various thinkers in in the human family

708
00:30:19,130 --> 00:30:16,980
came out on this issue

709
00:30:21,110 --> 00:30:19,140
and you would categorize them into one

710
00:30:24,200 --> 00:30:21,120
of these five physicians and what I

711
00:30:26,930 --> 00:30:24,210
discovered in doing the work I came to

712
00:30:31,760 --> 00:30:26,940
conclude that there in fact they were

713
00:30:34,280 --> 00:30:31,770
leading out to a central worldview the

714
00:30:37,520 --> 00:30:34,290
actual conservative worldview and the

715
00:30:40,910 --> 00:30:37,530
liberal worldview that his his respect

716
00:30:43,430 --> 00:30:40,920
his his spectrum of worldviews didn't

717
00:30:46,580 --> 00:30:43,440
include those and so what I did is I did

718
00:30:49,430 --> 00:30:46,590
my master's thesis writing it modifying

719
00:30:52,250 --> 00:30:49,440
Talcott Parsons sociological bar graph

720
00:30:54,860 --> 00:30:52,260
to insert into it the liberal and

721
00:30:57,950 --> 00:30:54,870
conservative worldview and what I

722
00:31:01,160 --> 00:30:57,960
discovered was that look now now all of

723
00:31:03,200 --> 00:31:01,170
a sudden I got seven integral worldviews

724
00:31:05,240 --> 00:31:03,210
and it became very obvious to me that

725
00:31:06,500 --> 00:31:05,250
the qualities and characteristics of the

726
00:31:09,080 --> 00:31:06,510
people who are adherence to these

727
00:31:13,010 --> 00:31:09,090
different worldviews tended to correlate

728
00:31:13,850 --> 00:31:13,020
to the chakras in the human body the

729
00:31:18,470 --> 00:31:13,860
charisms

730
00:31:21,950 --> 00:31:18,480
characteristically identified as being

731
00:31:25,160 --> 00:31:21,960
generated by a dominant chakra in

732
00:31:26,780 --> 00:31:25,170
rehearsin right and I said holy mackerel

733
00:31:27,800 --> 00:31:26,790
look what we've got here right we've got

734
00:31:29,900 --> 00:31:27,810
something going on which is

735
00:31:34,150 --> 00:31:29,910
extraordinary and then gets this I

736
00:31:36,850 --> 00:31:34,160
realized that in fact the great ad debt

737
00:31:39,400 --> 00:31:36,860
assert that there is not only the root

738
00:31:41,200 --> 00:31:39,410
chakra and the the second chakra third

739
00:31:43,860 --> 00:31:41,210
chakra fourth chakra and then the crown

740
00:31:46,180 --> 00:31:43,870
chakra the seventh chakra but if you

741
00:31:49,080 --> 00:31:46,190
raise your arm above your head and

742
00:31:52,120 --> 00:31:49,090
clinchers this there's an eighth chakra

743
00:31:55,270 --> 00:31:52,130
that actually resides outside of our

744
00:31:57,640 --> 00:31:55,280
human body at there at the apex of the

745
00:32:00,640 --> 00:31:57,650
intersection of all of these these

746
00:32:03,130 --> 00:32:00,650
energy fields that are generated each by

747
00:32:05,169 --> 00:32:03,140
each one of these chakras and therefore

748
00:32:08,080 --> 00:32:05,179
there's an eighth paradigm worldview and

749
00:32:11,710 --> 00:32:08,090
lo and behold it became obvious to me

750
00:32:15,669 --> 00:32:11,720
that we as human beings are we perceive

751
00:32:18,549 --> 00:32:15,679
things in octaves that just just like

752
00:32:20,409 --> 00:32:18,559
with you know like sound Dorian if I owe

753
00:32:22,840 --> 00:32:20,419
a lot to you don't write you know just

754
00:32:26,409 --> 00:32:22,850
like the visual spectrum you know of red

755
00:32:27,610 --> 00:32:26,419
orange yellow green blue in indigo and

756
00:32:31,149 --> 00:32:27,620
violet

757
00:32:34,930 --> 00:32:31,159
know these there are human species as a

758
00:32:37,600 --> 00:32:34,940
physiological instrument actually has it

759
00:32:40,690 --> 00:32:37,610
has evolved a perception system that is

760
00:32:43,750 --> 00:32:40,700
able to perceive things along in octaves

761
00:32:45,730 --> 00:32:43,760
but that's the senses the physical

762
00:32:48,789 --> 00:32:45,740
senses that are now is for us to

763
00:32:51,700 --> 00:32:48,799
actually possess you know of touch taste

764
00:32:53,710 --> 00:32:51,710
sight smell as cetera that there's only

765
00:32:55,990 --> 00:32:53,720
five of them so far but there's this

766
00:32:58,659 --> 00:32:56,000
raging debate going on about the

767
00:33:01,690 --> 00:32:58,669
potential rising in our human family of

768
00:33:04,840 --> 00:33:01,700
a sixth faculty what they call ESP that

769
00:33:08,200 --> 00:33:04,850
has the faculties of a potential

770
00:33:11,080 --> 00:33:08,210
telepathy precognition a whole series of

771
00:33:13,090 --> 00:33:11,090
these qualities that that they have

772
00:33:15,399 --> 00:33:13,100
these transpersonal type of experiences

773
00:33:18,010 --> 00:33:15,409
and so I said wait a second we're on the

774
00:33:21,130 --> 00:33:18,020
brink of evolving into full

775
00:33:24,640 --> 00:33:21,140
manifestation a new sixth sensory

776
00:33:26,799 --> 00:33:24,650
faculty okay let me jump in right there

777
00:33:29,260 --> 00:33:26,809
I need to take a break right right here

778
00:33:31,600 --> 00:33:29,270
Daniel so let's do that we'll pick up

779
00:33:34,539 --> 00:33:31,610
where we're leaving off eight octaves in

780
00:33:35,950 --> 00:33:34,549
ESP this is fade to black

781
00:33:38,740 --> 00:33:35,960
I am arrows Jimmy Turks our guest

782
00:33:39,909 --> 00:33:38,750
tonight Daniel PC and we're gonna do it

783
00:33:41,740 --> 00:33:39,919
all we're discussing

784
00:33:45,040 --> 00:33:41,750
the new paradigm

785
00:33:48,340 --> 00:33:45,050
this is fade to black on the game

786
00:33:50,380 --> 00:33:48,350
changer network and kg are a the plan

787
00:33:50,930 --> 00:33:50,390
amor Daniel after this short break stay

788
00:34:04,150 --> 00:33:50,940
with us

789
00:34:04,160 --> 00:34:10,540
[Music]

790
00:34:14,649 --> 00:34:13,060
welcome back fade to black I am your

791
00:34:19,330 --> 00:34:14,659
host Amy Church I guess tonight annual

792
00:34:23,230 --> 00:34:19,340
PC in will be over in the UK June 26th

793
00:34:26,409 --> 00:34:23,240
27th 2020 will be at the awakening

794
00:34:30,730 --> 00:34:26,419
conference in Manchester United Kingdom

795
00:34:34,300 --> 00:34:30,740
go to awakening UFO calm for tickets and

796
00:34:38,500 --> 00:34:34,310
info and Daniel talk okay now what I

797
00:34:41,680 --> 00:34:38,510
would like to hear is your definition of

798
00:34:45,310 --> 00:34:41,690
what the new paradigm is and what this

799
00:34:52,510 --> 00:34:45,320
shift is and did this did this did this

800
00:34:57,430 --> 00:34:52,520
start with your visit to Wounded Knee no

801
00:34:58,840 --> 00:34:57,440
no no the fact is I knew what happened

802
00:35:02,230 --> 00:34:58,850
is that when I was at the Divinity

803
00:35:05,680 --> 00:35:02,240
School I had I had gone for the one

804
00:35:08,260 --> 00:35:05,690
whole year to the Divinity School when

805
00:35:10,540 --> 00:35:08,270
we had filed these motions earlier in

806
00:35:12,970 --> 00:35:10,550
May of 1973 when I was still in Bailey's

807
00:35:15,190 --> 00:35:12,980
office but I then left in the fall and

808
00:35:18,070 --> 00:35:15,200
gone to divinity schools it turned out

809
00:35:19,930 --> 00:35:18,080
and but after my first year there it

810
00:35:21,790 --> 00:35:19,940
turns out that they decided they were

811
00:35:24,250 --> 00:35:21,800
gonna bring the trial on against these

812
00:35:26,110 --> 00:35:24,260
people and so my friend who was the head

813
00:35:28,060 --> 00:35:26,120
of the ACLU out in the Rocky Mountain

814
00:35:30,070 --> 00:35:28,070
region asked me to take a leave of

815
00:35:32,680 --> 00:35:30,080
absence from Harvard Divinity School and

816
00:35:34,510 --> 00:35:32,690
come back there in help and preparing

817
00:35:36,670 --> 00:35:34,520
filing these motions for the trial to

818
00:35:38,530 --> 00:35:36,680
stop the trial from going forward so I

819
00:35:40,210 --> 00:35:38,540
did I went and met with the Dean at the

820
00:35:42,790 --> 00:35:40,220
Divinity School and met with the people

821
00:35:44,860 --> 00:35:42,800
of Harvard University and they agreed to

822
00:35:47,350 --> 00:35:44,870
give me a leave of absence from the

823
00:35:50,290 --> 00:35:47,360
master's and PhD work I had gotten the

824
00:35:53,290 --> 00:35:50,300
major part of the masters done and so I

825
00:35:55,900 --> 00:35:53,300
went out and I became the chief trial

826
00:35:57,940 --> 00:35:55,910
counsel further for ten states of the

827
00:35:59,710 --> 00:35:57,950
United States for the American Civil

828
00:36:01,960 --> 00:35:59,720
Liberties Union and was going to be in

829
00:36:05,290 --> 00:36:01,970
charge of representing the ACLU during

830
00:36:08,290 --> 00:36:05,300
the trial we filed all these motions and

831
00:36:12,460 --> 00:36:08,300
it turns out that we after a few months

832
00:36:14,950 --> 00:36:12,470
we ended up succeeding and in the judge

833
00:36:17,980 --> 00:36:14,960
judge Nichols dismissed all of the

834
00:36:20,710 --> 00:36:17,990
charges against them and so I went back

835
00:36:23,260 --> 00:36:20,720
to Divinity School but so I spent a

836
00:36:24,130 --> 00:36:23,270
bunch of time out there in Pine Ridge

837
00:36:25,810 --> 00:36:24,140
knowing

838
00:36:28,600 --> 00:36:25,820
all the leaders of the american indian

839
00:36:31,300 --> 00:36:28,610
movement i sat with some of their major

840
00:36:34,570 --> 00:36:31,310
medicine men i listen to what their

841
00:36:36,220 --> 00:36:34,580
worldview was and the the american

842
00:36:39,610 --> 00:36:36,230
indian movement was made up primarily of

843
00:36:42,070 --> 00:36:39,620
young Native American men and women who

844
00:36:44,170 --> 00:36:42,080
had gone off to college and they were

845
00:36:46,780 --> 00:36:44,180
having this clash of worldviews from

846
00:36:49,540 --> 00:36:46,790
their kind of Aboriginal traditional

847
00:36:52,150 --> 00:36:49,550
Lakota view of the world and then

848
00:36:54,850 --> 00:36:52,160
encountering this radical scientific

849
00:36:57,820 --> 00:36:54,860
logical positivist materialist worldview

850
00:37:00,280 --> 00:36:57,830
that was being espoused by the American

851
00:37:02,830 --> 00:37:00,290
Academy you know of all the universities

852
00:37:04,540 --> 00:37:02,840
and so they were rebelling against that

853
00:37:06,730 --> 00:37:04,550
and they had come back to the

854
00:37:08,320 --> 00:37:06,740
reservations to try to assert the

855
00:37:10,990 --> 00:37:08,330
sovereignty of their or their own

856
00:37:15,250 --> 00:37:11,000
territory so I had in fact been exposed

857
00:37:18,040 --> 00:37:15,260
to a lot of this information I ended up

858
00:37:20,500 --> 00:37:18,050
doing a major sweat for the first time

859
00:37:24,160 --> 00:37:20,510
in my life with the the five

860
00:37:26,340 --> 00:37:24,170
medicine-man of the the medicine of the

861
00:37:29,110 --> 00:37:26,350
six Indian nations up in the Mohawk

862
00:37:30,850 --> 00:37:29,120
territories up in wroclaw saucony up to

863
00:37:32,800 --> 00:37:30,860
northern New York because I was legal

864
00:37:34,990 --> 00:37:32,810
counsel I became legal counsel for the

865
00:37:37,600 --> 00:37:35,000
Native American Rights Committee for

866
00:37:39,580 --> 00:37:37,610
ACLU national along with Joe Darrell my

867
00:37:41,590 --> 00:37:39,590
friend out of the Rocky Mountain region

868
00:37:43,420 --> 00:37:41,600
and so I became quite intimately

869
00:37:45,430 --> 00:37:43,430
familiar with their worldview what their

870
00:37:47,020 --> 00:37:45,440
traditional worldview was and got to

871
00:37:49,300 --> 00:37:47,030
spend time I actually got invited to go

872
00:37:51,840 --> 00:37:49,310
to the Sun dances for white people are

873
00:37:54,640 --> 00:37:51,850
allowed to go and was allowed to do

874
00:37:57,430 --> 00:37:54,650
sweats with the medicine man not just

875
00:38:00,610 --> 00:37:57,440
these kind of you know lightweight that

876
00:38:02,470 --> 00:38:00,620
kind of sweats that they do with white

877
00:38:04,810 --> 00:38:02,480
people sometimes but the bottom line is

878
00:38:07,030 --> 00:38:04,820
I went back I went back to to the

879
00:38:09,760 --> 00:38:07,040
Divinity School and I ended up getting

880
00:38:13,270 --> 00:38:09,770
recruited by the United States Jesuit

881
00:38:16,600 --> 00:38:13,280
Order the United States Jesuit Order has

882
00:38:19,480 --> 00:38:16,610
was forming a new national headquarters

883
00:38:21,310 --> 00:38:19,490
in Washington DC where they were going

884
00:38:23,200 --> 00:38:21,320
to have representatives from all 10 of

885
00:38:25,480 --> 00:38:23,210
the provinces in the in North America

886
00:38:27,250 --> 00:38:25,490
and they wanted to have a general

887
00:38:29,340 --> 00:38:27,260
counsel assigned to their social

888
00:38:32,770 --> 00:38:29,350
ministry office to be able to advocate

889
00:38:35,050 --> 00:38:32,780
public policy positions on behalf of the

890
00:38:37,750 --> 00:38:35,060
Society of Jesus the Jesuit Order the

891
00:38:39,670 --> 00:38:37,760
largest single order in the entire case

892
00:38:42,040 --> 00:38:39,680
but Church which in turn of course is

893
00:38:44,230 --> 00:38:42,050
the largest single denomination in all

894
00:38:46,930 --> 00:38:44,240
of the Western civilization so I found

895
00:38:51,130 --> 00:38:46,940
myself there at the headquarters with

896
00:38:53,080 --> 00:38:51,140
access to over 10,000 Jesuits who were

897
00:38:55,300 --> 00:38:53,090
in 43 different countries around the

898
00:38:57,880 --> 00:38:55,310
world and I was along with father

899
00:39:00,790 --> 00:38:57,890
William J Davis in charge of formulating

900
00:39:03,130 --> 00:39:00,800
public policy and so I was revisiting

901
00:39:06,160 --> 00:39:03,140
the same question about you know given a

902
00:39:08,320 --> 00:39:06,170
range of choices to select among in

903
00:39:10,540 --> 00:39:08,330
trying to address given social problem

904
00:39:13,000 --> 00:39:10,550
how is it you go about determining which

905
00:39:16,240 --> 00:39:13,010
ones which one is your going to be

906
00:39:17,980 --> 00:39:16,250
selecting and so I revisited the issues

907
00:39:20,410 --> 00:39:17,990
that I was studying back at the division

908
00:39:22,420 --> 00:39:20,420
school it had been introduced by Ralph

909
00:39:24,340 --> 00:39:22,430
Potter and and so I went back and has a

910
00:39:26,740 --> 00:39:24,350
number of deeper conversations with

911
00:39:29,950 --> 00:39:26,750
Ralph Potter trying to really understand

912
00:39:32,470 --> 00:39:29,960
what it was that was causing these

913
00:39:34,420 --> 00:39:32,480
individual people to be adherence to one

914
00:39:36,430 --> 00:39:34,430
or another of these structural

915
00:39:39,490 --> 00:39:36,440
worldviews that resided along this

916
00:39:41,650 --> 00:39:39,500
octave of worldviews and it turns out

917
00:39:44,320 --> 00:39:41,660
that when I pressed him on this I serve

918
00:39:46,270 --> 00:39:44,330
as a lawyer cornering him in his office

919
00:39:48,310 --> 00:39:46,280
and not letting him kind of escape and

920
00:39:49,960 --> 00:39:48,320
still shouting into these vague answers

921
00:39:52,810 --> 00:39:49,970
and I finally got him to acknowledge

922
00:39:55,510 --> 00:39:52,820
that that what causes the difference

923
00:39:58,780 --> 00:39:55,520
between what worldview a person will

924
00:40:03,570 --> 00:39:58,790
adhere to is dependent upon how he or

925
00:40:06,700 --> 00:40:03,580
she answers one of four major

926
00:40:08,530 --> 00:40:06,710
fundamental pillar beliefs that every

927
00:40:14,109 --> 00:40:08,540
human being sort of has to come to grips

928
00:40:16,720 --> 00:40:14,119
with and one of them is that how did the

929
00:40:18,760 --> 00:40:16,730
universe come into being right what what

930
00:40:21,250 --> 00:40:18,770
is your either conscious or unconscious

931
00:40:21,910 --> 00:40:21,260
belief about how the universe came into

932
00:40:24,010 --> 00:40:21,920
being

933
00:40:26,380 --> 00:40:24,020
do you believe was always been here was

934
00:40:28,420 --> 00:40:26,390
it created out of nothing you know is it

935
00:40:30,280 --> 00:40:28,430
is it just going to be expanding out

936
00:40:32,500 --> 00:40:30,290
into nothing and dissolving and going

937
00:40:34,859 --> 00:40:32,510
into nothingness what do you think was

938
00:40:38,560 --> 00:40:34,869
going on here it's oh it's your

939
00:40:41,050 --> 00:40:38,570
cosmological worldview and it turns out

940
00:40:42,970 --> 00:40:41,060
that what what then he also said that

941
00:40:44,680 --> 00:40:42,980
the second of these four pillar

942
00:40:46,690 --> 00:40:44,690
questions you have to answer is what

943
00:40:49,000 --> 00:40:46,700
they calls a teleological worldview and

944
00:40:50,830 --> 00:40:49,010
that's just a big fancy name for what

945
00:40:53,110 --> 00:40:50,840
how do you think the universe is on

946
00:40:55,630 --> 00:40:53,120
holding however it is you think it came

947
00:40:58,810 --> 00:40:55,640
into being is it unfolding moving

948
00:41:01,510 --> 00:40:58,820
towards some major cataclysmic event or

949
00:41:04,210 --> 00:41:01,520
some epiphany of some sort some parousia

950
00:41:06,280 --> 00:41:04,220
point where the whole universe is moving

951
00:41:07,600 --> 00:41:06,290
towards some sort of ultimate fruition

952
00:41:10,420 --> 00:41:07,610
of some sort what do you believe about

953
00:41:12,600 --> 00:41:10,430
all that so if you can link into that to

954
00:41:15,190 --> 00:41:12,610
try to ascertain some sense of meaning

955
00:41:18,490 --> 00:41:15,200
in the whole universe or is this just

956
00:41:20,800 --> 00:41:18,500
chaos and then the third of the four

957
00:41:22,750 --> 00:41:20,810
major pillar beliefs is the bigger fancy

958
00:41:24,310 --> 00:41:22,760
were to call tautological belief and

959
00:41:26,800 --> 00:41:24,320
that is how do you what do you believe

960
00:41:28,840 --> 00:41:26,810
as to how consciousness came into

961
00:41:30,370 --> 00:41:28,850
existence assuming that there's this

962
00:41:33,280 --> 00:41:30,380
whole universe made up of all these

963
00:41:35,860 --> 00:41:33,290
elements on the periodic table you know

964
00:41:38,440 --> 00:41:35,870
that that you know blend together and

965
00:41:40,240 --> 00:41:38,450
form different elements and mixtures and

966
00:41:42,880 --> 00:41:40,250
all of this how does consciousness

967
00:41:47,470 --> 00:41:42,890
actually come into existence is it is it

968
00:41:49,480 --> 00:41:47,480
just an epiphenomena reaction to the

969
00:41:52,090 --> 00:41:49,490
interface between mass and energy some

970
00:41:55,000 --> 00:41:52,100
sort of accidental kind of penumbra

971
00:41:55,720 --> 00:41:55,010
around these chemical events or is it

972
00:41:57,940 --> 00:41:55,730
something else

973
00:41:59,590 --> 00:41:57,950
right and what do you think about that

974
00:42:01,690 --> 00:41:59,600
then the fourth and final one of these

975
00:42:04,150 --> 00:42:01,700
is I think what they call the

976
00:42:06,040 --> 00:42:04,160
epistemological group it is some

977
00:42:09,670 --> 00:42:06,050
illogical belief that's just another big

978
00:42:12,970 --> 00:42:09,680
word for what what means do we as human

979
00:42:14,950 --> 00:42:12,980
beings have at our disposal by means of

980
00:42:23,020 --> 00:42:14,960
which we can possibly answer questions

981
00:42:27,070 --> 00:42:23,030
like I have to jump in did you yes into

982
00:42:39,090 --> 00:42:27,080
my opening statement tonight just tell

983
00:42:42,010 --> 00:42:39,100
me now you did but this is the universe

984
00:42:44,410 --> 00:42:42,020
right here connecting us because I had

985
00:42:46,390 --> 00:42:44,420
no idea that you were going to give us

986
00:42:50,770 --> 00:42:46,400
these four fundamental questions that

987
00:42:54,100 --> 00:42:50,780
everybody has to face okay but those

988
00:42:57,460 --> 00:42:54,110
four fundamental questions I didn't know

989
00:43:01,400 --> 00:42:57,470
about this but this is what I said about

990
00:43:04,660 --> 00:43:01,410
tonight in my opening statement

991
00:43:08,360 --> 00:43:04,670
and I think that all of us need to

992
00:43:12,350 --> 00:43:08,370
understand these basic fundamentals

993
00:43:15,250 --> 00:43:12,360
these basic things because if it goes

994
00:43:19,040 --> 00:43:15,260
down here on earth and I'm talking about

995
00:43:20,630 --> 00:43:19,050
chemistry atoms particles elements and

996
00:43:23,390 --> 00:43:20,640
the way that they combine if they

997
00:43:25,040 --> 00:43:23,400
combine the same way everywhere

998
00:43:29,120 --> 00:43:25,050
throughout the universe number one

999
00:43:31,430 --> 00:43:29,130
number two how do these basic basic

1000
00:43:34,910 --> 00:43:31,440
basic things and I'm talking about a

1001
00:43:39,790 --> 00:43:34,920
particle or an atom eventually combined

1002
00:43:42,080 --> 00:43:39,800
into hydrogen oxygen nitrogen and carbon

1003
00:43:45,800 --> 00:43:42,090
magically dance and combine together

1004
00:43:50,300 --> 00:43:45,810
create amino acids and then RNA and DNA

1005
00:43:55,820 --> 00:43:50,310
are basic genetic makeup and allow us to

1006
00:43:59,000 --> 00:43:55,830
think laugh and tell jokes right that's

1007
00:44:04,100 --> 00:43:59,010
it and that's exactly what you said it

1008
00:44:06,890 --> 00:44:04,110
right here source of consciousness be

1009
00:44:08,690 --> 00:44:06,900
the epistemological precedence as I said

1010
00:44:10,610 --> 00:44:08,700
what are the means that we have at our

1011
00:44:12,680 --> 00:44:10,620
disposal by means of which we can

1012
00:44:14,210 --> 00:44:12,690
possibly answer cosmic questions like

1013
00:44:16,250 --> 00:44:14,220
that are we confined

1014
00:44:18,800 --> 00:44:16,260
it's just what we can see or cards for

1015
00:44:21,770 --> 00:44:18,810
taste and smell in a way you know if you

1016
00:44:24,590 --> 00:44:21,780
can't weigh it or or measure it it

1017
00:44:26,960 --> 00:44:24,600
doesn't not exist some other realm that

1018
00:44:29,660 --> 00:44:26,970
we don't have my immediate sensory

1019
00:44:32,060 --> 00:44:29,670
access to yet of course this raises a

1020
00:44:35,960 --> 00:44:32,070
fundamental question about the existence

1021
00:44:38,720 --> 00:44:35,970
of a potential six faculty human faculty

1022
00:44:41,810 --> 00:44:38,730
biological faculty is evolving over time

1023
00:44:44,030 --> 00:44:41,820
helia logically unfolding progressively

1024
00:44:46,070 --> 00:44:44,040
and so that there's another faculty a

1025
00:44:49,610 --> 00:44:46,080
sensory faculty that our human species

1026
00:44:52,040 --> 00:44:49,620
is evolving that we experience as ESP

1027
00:44:54,610 --> 00:44:52,050
and the challenge of course is is that

1028
00:44:57,500 --> 00:44:54,620
we don't yet have a fully developed

1029
00:45:00,650 --> 00:44:57,510
vocabulary to be able to really explain

1030
00:45:02,930 --> 00:45:00,660
that because it's a historically has

1031
00:45:06,290 --> 00:45:02,940
been sort of a minority of people among

1032
00:45:08,060 --> 00:45:06,300
all of our people that experience in in

1033
00:45:09,830 --> 00:45:08,070
ninety-eight percent of all the regular

1034
00:45:11,390 --> 00:45:09,840
people to spend their life getting and

1035
00:45:13,370 --> 00:45:11,400
spending and laying waste their powers

1036
00:45:15,230 --> 00:45:13,380
and you know getting a job and working

1037
00:45:17,480 --> 00:45:15,240
and trying to bond with their kids

1038
00:45:18,950 --> 00:45:17,490
they don't think about these things and

1039
00:45:21,440 --> 00:45:18,960
they don't encounter those kind of

1040
00:45:22,849 --> 00:45:21,450
experiences but they're hearing about it

1041
00:45:23,720 --> 00:45:22,859
and they're reading more about it and

1042
00:45:26,599 --> 00:45:23,730
they're becoming more and more

1043
00:45:28,490 --> 00:45:26,609
fascinated about it and the field of

1044
00:45:30,020 --> 00:45:28,500
scientific evidence is unfolding in this

1045
00:45:33,170 --> 00:45:30,030
area is becoming more and more

1046
00:45:35,930 --> 00:45:33,180
convincing but remember that people are

1047
00:45:38,300 --> 00:45:35,940
being directed they're having their

1048
00:45:40,790 --> 00:45:38,310
attention directed to this faculty by

1049
00:45:43,160 --> 00:45:40,800
the experiments in science so there is

1050
00:45:45,170 --> 00:45:43,170
still material science you know

1051
00:45:47,810 --> 00:45:45,180
radically material science scientific

1052
00:45:49,460 --> 00:45:47,820
logical positivism to describe searching

1053
00:45:51,710 --> 00:45:49,470
around trying to find the answer to this

1054
00:45:53,420 --> 00:45:51,720
question and there's a fundamental

1055
00:45:55,790 --> 00:45:53,430
question as to whether that's the right

1056
00:45:59,359 --> 00:45:55,800
those are the sufficient tools whether

1057
00:46:01,640 --> 00:45:59,369
whether our five senses mediated through

1058
00:46:03,829 --> 00:46:01,650
our intellect you know through rational

1059
00:46:07,849 --> 00:46:03,839
materialism really give us access to

1060
00:46:09,140 --> 00:46:07,859
those or is it require an experience is

1061
00:46:12,380 --> 00:46:09,150
it like you know how you going to

1062
00:46:15,140 --> 00:46:12,390
explain scene to a to a whole culture

1063
00:46:17,000 --> 00:46:15,150
that never has experienced sight you

1064
00:46:18,650 --> 00:46:17,010
know actually HG Wells has got a famous

1065
00:46:20,839 --> 00:46:18,660
little short story about that about a

1066
00:46:24,440 --> 00:46:20,849
little girl that lives high in the Andes

1067
00:46:26,420 --> 00:46:24,450
Mountains that was evolving site and in

1068
00:46:28,700 --> 00:46:26,430
everybody thought she was a witch and

1069
00:46:30,680 --> 00:46:28,710
they ended up killing her because they

1070
00:46:32,180 --> 00:46:30,690
were so freaked out by her ability to

1071
00:46:35,900 --> 00:46:32,190
tell what's going on on the other side

1072
00:46:38,270 --> 00:46:35,910
of a room you know and and so but the

1073
00:46:40,520 --> 00:46:38,280
bottom line is that this issue of

1074
00:46:41,420 --> 00:46:40,530
whether or not and I believe there's the

1075
00:46:44,530 --> 00:46:41,430
evidence is getting to be quite

1076
00:46:46,910 --> 00:46:44,540
overwhelming that our human family is

1077
00:46:51,170 --> 00:46:46,920
teleologically evolving more and more

1078
00:46:54,020 --> 00:46:51,180
this Faculty of extrasensory perception

1079
00:46:56,450 --> 00:46:54,030
as they refer to it but when you look at

1080
00:46:59,060 --> 00:46:56,460
the sociological bar graph fully fleshed

1081
00:47:01,310 --> 00:46:59,070
out over telecom parses and you insert

1082
00:47:03,320 --> 00:47:01,320
the the liberal and the conservative

1083
00:47:05,750 --> 00:47:03,330
worldview into that and then come to

1084
00:47:07,790 --> 00:47:05,760
realize that there's really eight eight

1085
00:47:09,530 --> 00:47:07,800
of these different worldviews there's

1086
00:47:12,230 --> 00:47:09,540
only seven of these worldviews that

1087
00:47:14,210 --> 00:47:12,240
we've actually fully explicated you know

1088
00:47:16,130 --> 00:47:14,220
that and you look at the political man

1089
00:47:19,700 --> 00:47:16,140
it's important to remember that that

1090
00:47:22,430 --> 00:47:19,710
every single one of these worldviews

1091
00:47:24,560 --> 00:47:22,440
that lie along these nodal points from

1092
00:47:27,280 --> 00:47:24,570
right to left on the sociological bar

1093
00:47:28,670 --> 00:47:27,290
graph every single one of them has

1094
00:47:31,549 --> 00:47:28,680
categorically

1095
00:47:34,400 --> 00:47:31,559
different answers for each of these four

1096
00:47:37,039 --> 00:47:34,410
basic questions but what makes it a

1097
00:47:39,410 --> 00:47:37,049
worldview is that the answer that the

1098
00:47:42,380 --> 00:47:39,420
person provides to each of these four

1099
00:47:44,690 --> 00:47:42,390
different pillar questions the three of

1100
00:47:47,329 --> 00:47:44,700
them are all internally itself

1101
00:47:50,630 --> 00:47:47,339
referentially consistent with the fourth

1102
00:47:52,519 --> 00:47:50,640
and so that there's a there's a common

1103
00:47:54,440 --> 00:47:52,529
principle that is generated as

1104
00:47:56,870 --> 00:47:54,450
functioning in your answer to all four

1105
00:48:00,260 --> 00:47:56,880
of these questions so that you have an

1106
00:48:02,750 --> 00:48:00,270
internally consistent world and that's

1107
00:48:05,690 --> 00:48:02,760
what causes you to have a really fully

1108
00:48:09,410 --> 00:48:05,700
evolved worldview and what happens is

1109
00:48:12,559 --> 00:48:09,420
along this just like in a scale of notes

1110
00:48:14,510 --> 00:48:12,569
you know there are our pure notes of the

1111
00:48:16,640 --> 00:48:14,520
door Amy Pond so let you go but you know

1112
00:48:20,240 --> 00:48:16,650
you can fall in between these notes and

1113
00:48:22,700 --> 00:48:20,250
it's all off off tune it's off tune

1114
00:48:24,829 --> 00:48:22,710
that's all confused its dissonant it

1115
00:48:27,349 --> 00:48:24,839
doesn't have an internal and self

1116
00:48:29,329 --> 00:48:27,359
referential resonance and that's what

1117
00:48:31,910 --> 00:48:29,339
that's why in music it sounds bad when

1118
00:48:34,370 --> 00:48:31,920
you listen to it but if they hit the

1119
00:48:36,349 --> 00:48:34,380
notes right on the button then you can

1120
00:48:38,569 --> 00:48:36,359
understand them and so that's the same

1121
00:48:40,880 --> 00:48:38,579
thing with regard to worldview the end

1122
00:48:42,950 --> 00:48:40,890
and then so that each one of the world

1123
00:48:45,440 --> 00:48:42,960
views the right systematists

1124
00:48:47,900 --> 00:48:45,450
the left systematise the right middle

1125
00:48:49,519 --> 00:48:47,910
marginalists the left middle marginalist

1126
00:48:51,710 --> 00:48:49,529
the middle marginalist and then these

1127
00:48:52,940 --> 00:48:51,720
two the left and right middle marginal

1128
00:48:56,420 --> 00:48:52,950
positions of the liberals and

1129
00:48:58,400 --> 00:48:56,430
conservatives all of these have their

1130
00:49:01,370 --> 00:48:58,410
own distinct worldview and each and

1131
00:49:04,010 --> 00:49:01,380
every one of them answers each of these

1132
00:49:06,279 --> 00:49:04,020
four pillar questions and it completely

1133
00:49:11,710 --> 00:49:06,289
got a vertically different way is there

1134
00:49:15,170 --> 00:49:11,720
is there a group a measurable group that

1135
00:49:21,650 --> 00:49:15,180
answers those four pillar questions with

1136
00:49:24,019 --> 00:49:21,660
I don't care right no no no not that I

1137
00:49:25,609 --> 00:49:24,029
don't care that I don't know and that's

1138
00:49:27,529 --> 00:49:25,619
the middle marginalist the middle

1139
00:49:29,930 --> 00:49:27,539
marginalist which is the rational

1140
00:49:32,329 --> 00:49:29,940
scientific logical positivist worldview

1141
00:49:35,420 --> 00:49:32,339
is saying look we can't tell anything

1142
00:49:37,400 --> 00:49:35,430
for sure until we can measure it and we

1143
00:49:39,620 --> 00:49:37,410
can see it and we can taste it and we

1144
00:49:42,050 --> 00:49:39,630
can we can feel it what they do is they

1145
00:49:45,440 --> 00:49:42,060
set up this this

1146
00:49:47,570 --> 00:49:45,450
filter for reality right or any things

1147
00:49:48,980 --> 00:49:47,580
that they include in their reality are

1148
00:49:50,660 --> 00:49:48,990
those things that are subject to

1149
00:49:52,550 --> 00:49:50,670
experience directly through our five

1150
00:49:56,240 --> 00:49:52,560
senses whether it's you know increased

1151
00:49:58,100 --> 00:49:56,250
by a telescope or a microscope but it's

1152
00:50:00,200 --> 00:49:58,110
still the same thing and so what they do

1153
00:50:02,690 --> 00:50:00,210
is they're agnostic on all of these

1154
00:50:04,580 --> 00:50:02,700
other questions they sort of acknowledge

1155
00:50:07,970 --> 00:50:04,590
in theory then there's a whole

1156
00:50:10,550 --> 00:50:07,980
dimensions of reality that may may exist

1157
00:50:14,090 --> 00:50:10,560
outside of what we can say is true but

1158
00:50:16,000 --> 00:50:14,100
they will not confirm that oh no those

1159
00:50:19,700 --> 00:50:16,010
are the ones that I want to speak to

1160
00:50:21,710 --> 00:50:19,710
those are the ones Daniel right right

1161
00:50:23,870 --> 00:50:21,720
those are the ones that need to listen

1162
00:50:28,550 --> 00:50:23,880
to this show those are the ones that

1163
00:50:30,500 --> 00:50:28,560
need to hear you our audience gets it

1164
00:50:33,650 --> 00:50:30,510
right they already get it we've already

1165
00:50:37,210 --> 00:50:33,660
got them we've already got them yeah we

1166
00:50:40,910 --> 00:50:37,220
need those middle marginalist out there

1167
00:50:44,510 --> 00:50:40,920
even dare I say I was I wasn't gonna go

1168
00:50:48,920 --> 00:50:44,520
here but the the atheists of the world

1169
00:50:52,310 --> 00:50:48,930
and not to say that I am you know a

1170
00:50:55,160 --> 00:50:52,320
full-on religious guy I am NOT I'm not

1171
00:50:57,830 --> 00:50:55,170
but the atheists of the world that that

1172
00:51:02,720 --> 00:50:57,840
believe that there's nothing else to

1173
00:51:04,670 --> 00:51:02,730
anything actually actually you're you're

1174
00:51:06,470 --> 00:51:04,680
you're conflating two different

1175
00:51:08,240 --> 00:51:06,480
categories one is an atheist the other

1176
00:51:11,420 --> 00:51:08,250
ones are agnostic that's right an

1177
00:51:13,550 --> 00:51:11,430
agnostic an agnostic is a person let me

1178
00:51:15,050 --> 00:51:13,560
say what what happens is I've laid that

1179
00:51:18,140 --> 00:51:15,060
out but what it's important to

1180
00:51:20,480 --> 00:51:18,150
understand is that that each and every

1181
00:51:22,220 --> 00:51:20,490
one of these worldviews what once you

1182
00:51:24,290 --> 00:51:22,230
answer each of these four pillar

1183
00:51:25,700 --> 00:51:24,300
questions in a way that each of the

1184
00:51:27,590 --> 00:51:25,710
answers are internally itself

1185
00:51:29,660 --> 00:51:27,600
preferentially consistent with each of

1186
00:51:32,480 --> 00:51:29,670
the other three what happens is when you

1187
00:51:34,040 --> 00:51:32,490
discern the principle that is governs

1188
00:51:36,440 --> 00:51:34,050
your answer to each of those four things

1189
00:51:40,090 --> 00:51:36,450
that is a common principle what that

1190
00:51:43,190 --> 00:51:40,100
does is it generates a particular

1191
00:51:44,750 --> 00:51:43,200
particular principle and what happens

1192
00:51:49,010 --> 00:51:44,760
when you when you apply that principle

1193
00:51:52,820 --> 00:51:49,020
to its it's a what is called a mode of

1194
00:51:55,880 --> 00:51:52,830
ethical reasoning everybody everybody

1195
00:51:58,370 --> 00:51:55,890
wants to choose given a range of

1196
00:51:59,799 --> 00:51:58,380
in a given public policy problem they

1197
00:52:03,680 --> 00:51:59,809
want to choose that one which is

1198
00:52:05,809 --> 00:52:03,690
consistent with reality with reality

1199
00:52:07,759 --> 00:52:05,819
that's the standard but they each have a

1200
00:52:09,140 --> 00:52:07,769
different view of reality because of

1201
00:52:11,509 --> 00:52:09,150
their different answers to these four

1202
00:52:13,640 --> 00:52:11,519
pillar questions and so what they do is

1203
00:52:15,759 --> 00:52:13,650
they develop a particular mode of

1204
00:52:18,049 --> 00:52:15,769
ethical reasoning a particular

1205
00:52:20,089 --> 00:52:18,059
identifiable mode of ethical reasoning

1206
00:52:22,400 --> 00:52:20,099
which is how they determine what conduct

1207
00:52:24,170 --> 00:52:22,410
they're going to engage in that makes it

1208
00:52:26,779 --> 00:52:24,180
consistent with their view of reality

1209
00:52:29,000 --> 00:52:26,789
you know very importantly if you take

1210
00:52:31,549 --> 00:52:29,010
that mode of ethical reasoning and you

1211
00:52:35,089 --> 00:52:31,559
turn and you apply it to all of the

1212
00:52:36,859 --> 00:52:35,099
normal work today questions you have to

1213
00:52:38,240 --> 00:52:36,869
answer in your own life who are you

1214
00:52:39,950 --> 00:52:38,250
going to marry who are you going to go

1215
00:52:41,150 --> 00:52:39,960
to war or not you're going to grow to

1216
00:52:43,069 --> 00:52:41,160
the draft you're going to resist the

1217
00:52:45,799 --> 00:52:43,079
draft you know all those questions if

1218
00:52:49,490 --> 00:52:45,809
you apply the mode of ethical reasoning

1219
00:52:51,380 --> 00:52:49,500
that is inherently generated by the self

1220
00:52:52,940 --> 00:52:51,390
referential a consistent set of answers

1221
00:52:56,089 --> 00:52:52,950
that you provide to these four pillar

1222
00:52:58,370 --> 00:52:56,099
views if you if you apply that mode of

1223
00:53:00,130 --> 00:52:58,380
ethical reasoning to choosing what to do

1224
00:53:03,680 --> 00:53:00,140
in the face of each of these workaday

1225
00:53:06,289 --> 00:53:03,690
reality questions that is what generates

1226
00:53:09,289 --> 00:53:06,299
a philosophy you see that's where

1227
00:53:11,059 --> 00:53:09,299
philosophy comes from it is it is it the

1228
00:53:13,190 --> 00:53:11,069
reason that is so appealing a particular

1229
00:53:16,069 --> 00:53:13,200
philosophy is because it's completely

1230
00:53:18,470 --> 00:53:16,079
consistent and you can always get an

1231
00:53:20,599 --> 00:53:18,480
answer to your question pursuant to that

1232
00:53:23,089 --> 00:53:20,609
philosophy and so the people that have

1233
00:53:24,710 --> 00:53:23,099
been disciplined and have answered those

1234
00:53:26,779 --> 00:53:24,720
four pillar questions in a way their

1235
00:53:28,309 --> 00:53:26,789
self preferentially consistent with each

1236
00:53:30,200 --> 00:53:28,319
other and they've identified a

1237
00:53:32,150 --> 00:53:30,210
particular mode of ethical reasoning and

1238
00:53:33,710 --> 00:53:32,160
they've systematically applied it to all

1239
00:53:36,140 --> 00:53:33,720
of the normal questions that you face in

1240
00:53:37,940 --> 00:53:36,150
your life they end up writing about this

1241
00:53:40,160 --> 00:53:37,950
and they become known as philosophers

1242
00:53:42,349 --> 00:53:40,170
and so there are these different

1243
00:53:45,230 --> 00:53:42,359
philosophies and when you apply that

1244
00:53:48,079 --> 00:53:45,240
philosophy to the question of politics

1245
00:53:50,930 --> 00:53:48,089
of how is it that a community is

1246
00:53:53,420 --> 00:53:50,940
supposed to make a decision to choose

1247
00:53:55,910 --> 00:53:53,430
one or another of the options that they

1248
00:53:59,059 --> 00:53:55,920
have with which to respond to a given

1249
00:54:01,940 --> 00:53:59,069
public policy problem that becomes your

1250
00:54:03,859 --> 00:54:01,950
political philosophy and in this so that

1251
00:54:05,660 --> 00:54:03,869
you can you can answer you can answer

1252
00:54:07,579 --> 00:54:05,670
the question of what are the names of

1253
00:54:09,870 --> 00:54:07,589
these worldviews these eight worldviews

1254
00:54:12,150 --> 00:54:09,880
along the spectrum you can answer it by

1255
00:54:14,790 --> 00:54:12,160
cutting into it anywhere what's the

1256
00:54:17,070 --> 00:54:14,800
cosmology it's it's Healy ology its

1257
00:54:19,290 --> 00:54:17,080
ontology it's a distal ology it's more

1258
00:54:21,240 --> 00:54:19,300
of ethical reasoning it's philosophy the

1259
00:54:24,090 --> 00:54:21,250
one that people talk about more than any

1260
00:54:26,490 --> 00:54:24,100
other one is this political philosophy

1261
00:54:28,470 --> 00:54:26,500
that's the one you always hear about so

1262
00:54:31,620 --> 00:54:28,480
that you understand that along this the

1263
00:54:32,310 --> 00:54:31,630
sociological paragraph you have on the

1264
00:54:35,700 --> 00:54:32,320
extreme right

1265
00:54:37,590 --> 00:54:35,710
you have authoritarians and immediately

1266
00:54:40,290 --> 00:54:37,600
in the and those are your right

1267
00:54:41,850 --> 00:54:40,300
systematists you're right marginalist

1268
00:54:43,400 --> 00:54:41,860
just one step in towards the middle

1269
00:54:45,810 --> 00:54:43,410
you're right marginalists are

1270
00:54:48,180 --> 00:54:45,820
reactionary they're not the same thing

1271
00:54:50,520 --> 00:54:48,190
as authoritarians there's a reactionary

1272
00:54:52,770 --> 00:54:50,530
then one step closer into the middle is

1273
00:54:54,300 --> 00:54:52,780
a conservative and then one step more

1274
00:54:56,730 --> 00:54:54,310
into the middle is your moderate and

1275
00:54:59,610 --> 00:54:56,740
then one step more to the left is your

1276
00:55:01,770 --> 00:54:59,620
is your liberal and one more step to the

1277
00:55:03,870 --> 00:55:01,780
left is your progressive and one more

1278
00:55:06,480 --> 00:55:03,880
step to the left is your utopianist

1279
00:55:08,910 --> 00:55:06,490
and so that these are the seven classic

1280
00:55:11,610 --> 00:55:08,920
political worldviews that are in

1281
00:55:14,010 --> 00:55:11,620
constant dialogue and conflict but what

1282
00:55:16,830 --> 00:55:14,020
you'll notice is we don't have one for

1283
00:55:19,650 --> 00:55:16,840
the eight yet we do not have a human

1284
00:55:22,950 --> 00:55:19,660
worldview that has been as elucidated an

1285
00:55:24,330 --> 00:55:22,960
eight paradigm worldview and that's the

1286
00:55:26,070 --> 00:55:24,340
worldview that we're moving toward

1287
00:55:28,320 --> 00:55:26,080
that's the one that we're going to have

1288
00:55:30,600 --> 00:55:28,330
to come to grips with when we encounter

1289
00:55:32,880 --> 00:55:30,610
for certain an extraterrestrial

1290
00:55:35,340 --> 00:55:32,890
civilization so that we now for the

1291
00:55:38,820 --> 00:55:35,350
first time in our human history realize

1292
00:55:41,010 --> 00:55:38,830
that we are not in fact the only highly

1293
00:55:43,380 --> 00:55:41,020
intelligent and highly technologically

1294
00:55:45,990 --> 00:55:43,390
developed species in the universe there

1295
00:55:48,560 --> 00:55:46,000
isn't there are more highly intelligent

1296
00:55:52,220 --> 00:55:48,570
highly technologically developed but

1297
00:55:55,050 --> 00:55:52,230
categorically non-human sentient species

1298
00:55:56,820 --> 00:55:55,060
elsewhere in the universe in every

1299
00:55:58,530 --> 00:55:56,830
single one of the philosophies that we

1300
00:56:01,170 --> 00:55:58,540
have developed so far you know where

1301
00:56:02,610 --> 00:56:01,180
there's Hegel or Nietzsche or Spinoza or

1302
00:56:05,100 --> 00:56:02,620
anybody you want to talk about along

1303
00:56:07,320 --> 00:56:05,110
this along the political spectrum all of

1304
00:56:10,590 --> 00:56:07,330
them share in common the fundamental

1305
00:56:13,740 --> 00:56:10,600
assumption that our human species is the

1306
00:56:16,440 --> 00:56:13,750
only intelligent sentient species in the

1307
00:56:18,120 --> 00:56:16,450
universe and that's the big challenge

1308
00:56:20,580 --> 00:56:18,130
that we got right now here's where we

1309
00:56:23,549 --> 00:56:20,590
stand in history at the very edge of

1310
00:56:26,609 --> 00:56:23,559
coming to realize now

1311
00:56:28,349 --> 00:56:26,619
very basis that there exist other highly

1312
00:56:30,839 --> 00:56:28,359
intelligent and highly technologically

1313
00:56:33,420 --> 00:56:30,849
developed but non-human species in our

1314
00:56:36,420 --> 00:56:33,430
galaxy and we have to be ready to

1315
00:56:40,319 --> 00:56:36,430
develop a thoroughgoing human worldview

1316
00:56:44,249 --> 00:56:40,329
there's up to that reality let me ask

1317
00:56:48,359 --> 00:56:44,259
you this I've got 30 seconds Danny only

1318
00:56:50,999 --> 00:56:48,369
30 seconds that eight segments that

1319
00:56:53,400 --> 00:56:51,009
eight category where would it rest I

1320
00:56:58,199 --> 00:56:53,410
would think it would have to be in dead

1321
00:57:01,079 --> 00:56:58,209
center no no it exists it exists to

1322
00:57:03,989 --> 00:57:01,089
flesh out the it flesh out the full

1323
00:57:06,209 --> 00:57:03,999
octave now remember if in take you if

1324
00:57:10,079 --> 00:57:06,219
you take a single spot and you take

1325
00:57:12,059 --> 00:57:10,089
lasers that are the pure color of each

1326
00:57:16,170 --> 00:57:12,069
of the colors in the spectrum the red

1327
00:57:19,109 --> 00:57:16,180
red orange yellow green blue indigo and

1328
00:57:22,920 --> 00:57:19,119
violet if you take a laser that is that

1329
00:57:26,640 --> 00:57:22,930
pure light energy and you point all of

1330
00:57:29,339 --> 00:57:26,650
them into a single point on a plate they

1331
00:57:33,299 --> 00:57:29,349
set up a mutual interference pattern

1332
00:57:37,109 --> 00:57:33,309
that generates white light so it would

1333
00:57:38,880 --> 00:57:37,119
be everything it would be all color

1334
00:57:45,479 --> 00:57:38,890
bright it would be all Col that's right

1335
00:57:47,609 --> 00:57:45,489
okay then you go it doesn't happen you

1336
00:57:49,679 --> 00:57:47,619
don't get white light so we have

1337
00:57:52,769 --> 00:57:49,689
developed over all of our history so far

1338
00:57:55,109 --> 00:57:52,779
these seven thoroughgoing worldviews but

1339
00:57:57,329 --> 00:57:55,119
we haven't in fact allowed them all to

1340
00:57:59,910 --> 00:57:57,339
come together in some kind of common

1341
00:58:03,209 --> 00:57:59,920
vision that it enables us to transcend

1342
00:58:05,339 --> 00:58:03,219
our mistaken belief and we're at the

1343
00:58:10,890 --> 00:58:05,349
apex of all biological evolution in the

1344
00:58:13,019 --> 00:58:10,900
universe Danny hold on we read right

1345
00:58:15,630 --> 00:58:13,029
into the commercial break let's do this

1346
00:58:17,549 --> 00:58:15,640
again we'll be right back this is fade

1347
00:58:20,400 --> 00:58:17,559
to black I am your host Jimmy Church I

1348
00:58:22,410 --> 00:58:20,410
guess and I Daniel P Sheehan when we

1349
00:58:24,479 --> 00:58:22,420
come back we're gonna discuss you know

1350
00:58:27,140 --> 00:58:24,489
what just popped in my head Gandalf of

1351
00:58:29,540 --> 00:58:27,150
all colors that's right

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fade to black on the game changer

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welcome back fade to black I'm Jimmy

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00:58:51,350 --> 00:58:49,140
Church if you miss a live show ever just

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Danny before the break

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00:59:11,960 --> 00:59:09,180
talking about this 8th segment and that

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00:59:14,300 --> 00:59:11,970
one being of something that is

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00:59:17,450 --> 00:59:14,310
all-encompassing right the white light

1366
00:59:20,980 --> 00:59:17,460
it has wall colors would that result

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00:59:26,440 --> 00:59:20,990
would that reside above the 7 and

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understand and embrace the 7 underneath

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00:59:29,810 --> 00:59:27,720
yes

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00:59:32,330 --> 00:59:29,820
it's just just like just like the the

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00:59:34,910 --> 00:59:32,340
8th chakra that you you cannot you

1372
00:59:37,190 --> 00:59:34,920
cannot get the Kundalini energy and the

1373
00:59:39,680 --> 00:59:37,200
human body up into the 8th chakra that

1374
00:59:42,170 --> 00:59:39,690
resides above the head until you open

1375
00:59:44,810 --> 00:59:42,180
all of the chakras and you get them all

1376
00:59:47,030 --> 00:59:44,820
functioning in balance that is that that

1377
00:59:49,820 --> 00:59:47,040
is the dynamic that lifts the Kundalini

1378
00:59:51,980 --> 00:59:49,830
energy up through the human body up into

1379
00:59:55,160 --> 00:59:51,990
making that jump from the top of your

1380
00:59:58,010 --> 00:59:55,170
head up into that chakra that abides at

1381
01:00:00,380 --> 00:59:58,020
the apex of all the energy fields that

1382
01:00:02,720 --> 01:00:00,390
envelope of the seven different energy

1383
01:00:05,600 --> 01:00:02,730
vibrational fields that encompass the

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01:00:07,640 --> 01:00:05,610
human body that's how you do it and so

1385
01:00:10,820 --> 01:00:07,650
that this is the great the great mystery

1386
01:00:14,510 --> 01:00:10,830
the the abides in the human family and

1387
01:00:17,630 --> 01:00:14,520
it's where in the reality is that as you

1388
01:00:20,080 --> 01:00:17,640
actually open up each one of these new

1389
01:00:23,260 --> 01:00:20,090
ascending chakras in the human body you

1390
01:00:26,600 --> 01:00:23,270
actually begin to develop additional

1391
01:00:28,400 --> 01:00:26,610
faculties that in the the one that is

1392
01:00:31,010 --> 01:00:28,410
the most widely known right now is the

1393
01:00:33,620 --> 01:00:31,020
six faculty the radical bonus sixth

1394
01:00:37,670 --> 01:00:33,630
paradigm a worldview which has to do

1395
01:00:40,970 --> 01:00:37,680
with ESP and and precognition and remote

1396
01:00:44,150 --> 01:00:40,980
viewing and in all of that that we it is

1397
01:00:45,980 --> 01:00:44,160
you know so popular now and it's a lot

1398
01:00:48,590 --> 01:00:45,990
of the Hindu stuff and the other things

1399
01:00:50,950 --> 01:00:48,600
that are well known what the what they

1400
01:00:53,690 --> 01:00:50,960
call the cities that are attached to the

1401
01:00:56,180 --> 01:00:53,700
unloading of that particular chakra but

1402
01:00:58,760 --> 01:00:56,190
we still got the other chakras we've got

1403
01:01:00,890 --> 01:00:58,770
the seventh chakra which is the crown

1404
01:01:03,500 --> 01:01:00,900
chakra and then there is a super

1405
01:01:05,359 --> 01:01:03,510
mysterious eighth chakra there only very

1406
01:01:07,849 --> 01:01:05,369
few of the ad depths will really talk

1407
01:01:09,800 --> 01:01:07,859
about with their students because they

1408
01:01:11,210 --> 01:01:09,810
say look at don't don't get too carried

1409
01:01:13,430 --> 01:01:11,220
away about trying to figure out this

1410
01:01:16,040 --> 01:01:13,440
eighth chakra until you get all the

1411
01:01:18,290 --> 01:01:16,050
others opened and functioning in balance

1412
01:01:20,839 --> 01:01:18,300
because they have to be in balance in

1413
01:01:23,900 --> 01:01:20,849
order to have the kundalini energy flow

1414
01:01:25,700 --> 01:01:23,910
up smoothly up through your body into

1415
01:01:27,609 --> 01:01:25,710
the eighth chakra now this is all

1416
01:01:30,920 --> 01:01:27,619
talking about it in the microcosmic

1417
01:01:34,010 --> 01:01:30,930
level of the human body but the fact of

1418
01:01:36,620 --> 01:01:34,020
the matter is it is it is the microcosm

1419
01:01:40,130 --> 01:01:36,630
of what the microcosm is in the universe

1420
01:01:43,150 --> 01:01:40,140
that's what we are in the the the

1421
01:01:45,829 --> 01:01:43,160
reality is if in fact you have an

1422
01:01:49,309 --> 01:01:45,839
extraterrestrial civilization that may

1423
01:01:52,010 --> 01:01:49,319
may exist you know 100 light years away

1424
01:01:55,520 --> 01:01:52,020
and that there they have a red dwarf

1425
01:01:57,530 --> 01:01:55,530
star so that their planet that exists in

1426
01:02:01,490 --> 01:01:57,540
the Goldilocks zone around the red dwarf

1427
01:02:04,460 --> 01:02:01,500
the red dwarf can live for you know 50

1428
01:02:07,220 --> 01:02:04,470
million 50 billion more years than our

1429
01:02:09,650 --> 01:02:07,230
star system so it's possible that a

1430
01:02:13,400 --> 01:02:09,660
sentient civilization could have evolved

1431
01:02:17,300 --> 01:02:13,410
on this planet that has 10 20 30 million

1432
01:02:20,180 --> 01:02:17,310
more years of evolution than our our

1433
01:02:21,890 --> 01:02:20,190
human family has and so the question is

1434
01:02:25,130 --> 01:02:21,900
whether or not they have gone through

1435
01:02:27,589 --> 01:02:25,140
these stages of evolution and a lot of

1436
01:02:30,440 --> 01:02:27,599
the data that we have now from various

1437
01:02:32,240 --> 01:02:30,450
witnesses around about their direct

1438
01:02:34,609 --> 01:02:32,250
encounters with extraterrestrial beings

1439
01:02:37,309 --> 01:02:34,619
that all these different kind of

1440
01:02:39,260 --> 01:02:37,319
interesting charisms that they have to

1441
01:02:41,420 --> 01:02:39,270
be able to walk through walls to be able

1442
01:02:43,130 --> 01:02:41,430
to float and to have telepathic

1443
01:02:45,470 --> 01:02:43,140
communication with us etcetera there

1444
01:02:47,809 --> 01:02:45,480
there's a whole series of of charisms

1445
01:02:49,400 --> 01:02:47,819
that they display that cause everybody

1446
01:02:52,250 --> 01:02:49,410
to be kind of freaked out when they

1447
01:02:54,140 --> 01:02:52,260
first encountered them and so that what

1448
01:02:56,660 --> 01:02:54,150
what the you know you get into this

1449
01:02:58,550 --> 01:02:56,670
entire issue which is as you know one of

1450
01:03:01,940 --> 01:02:58,560
the one of the most important issues of

1451
01:03:06,109 --> 01:03:01,950
all time is the this kind of figure out

1452
01:03:09,590 --> 01:03:06,119
the the the kind of I guess which agree

1453
01:03:12,730 --> 01:03:09,600
which you could call the the protocols

1454
01:03:14,810 --> 01:03:12,740
I guess of how we encounter these

1455
01:03:17,090 --> 01:03:14,820
extraterrestrial beings and this

1456
01:03:19,400 --> 01:03:17,100
potential extraterrestrial civilization

1457
01:03:22,040 --> 01:03:19,410
we know perfectly well that there's a

1458
01:03:23,780 --> 01:03:22,050
great reluctance on their part to reveal

1459
01:03:25,930 --> 01:03:23,790
themselves to us well we're still

1460
01:03:28,940 --> 01:03:25,940
functioning down at a second paradigm

1461
01:03:33,050 --> 01:03:28,950
dialectical confrontational a good guy

1462
01:03:34,700 --> 01:03:33,060
bad guy conflict role in in devoting a

1463
01:03:37,220 --> 01:03:34,710
lot of our talents and is developing

1464
01:03:39,140 --> 01:03:37,230
larger and larger weapons systems to try

1465
01:03:41,150 --> 01:03:39,150
to destroy each other that's why we see

1466
01:03:43,550 --> 01:03:41,160
their intervention so regularly you know

1467
01:03:45,530 --> 01:03:43,560
at nuclear at nuclear weapons bases like

1468
01:03:47,480 --> 01:03:45,540
the the Nike missile site from the

1469
01:03:49,640 --> 01:03:47,490
Minuteman Site you know nuclear power

1470
01:03:51,440 --> 01:03:49,650
plants and stuff you know and tracking

1471
01:03:53,360 --> 01:03:51,450
around nuclear submarines you know

1472
01:03:54,800 --> 01:03:53,370
there's a whole series of things that

1473
01:03:57,590 --> 01:03:54,810
they they appear to be concerned about

1474
01:04:00,290 --> 01:03:57,600
about us but one of them is that they do

1475
01:04:03,050 --> 01:04:00,300
not feel disposed toward making

1476
01:04:06,260 --> 01:04:03,060
themselves known to us at least in

1477
01:04:07,700 --> 01:04:06,270
general and an open basis you know while

1478
01:04:10,340 --> 01:04:07,710
we're still functioning at this

1479
01:04:12,500 --> 01:04:10,350
extremely low level of our total

1480
01:04:15,680 --> 01:04:12,510
potential at our potential development

1481
01:04:18,380 --> 01:04:15,690
and so that's in the churches as we know

1482
01:04:21,830 --> 01:04:18,390
the formalized religions for the most

1483
01:04:24,040 --> 01:04:21,840
part are not doing terribly well at

1484
01:04:26,450 --> 01:04:24,050
helping to train up our human family

1485
01:04:29,120 --> 01:04:26,460
into really coming to grips with this -

1486
01:04:34,750 --> 01:04:29,130
coming to understand the metaphysical

1487
01:04:38,540 --> 01:04:34,760
and and the kind of hollow holotropic

1488
01:04:41,060 --> 01:04:38,550
dimensions of our own being now very

1489
01:04:43,460 --> 01:04:41,070
very tiny minorities and each one of the

1490
01:04:45,170 --> 01:04:43,470
major world religions has has come to

1491
01:04:46,820 --> 01:04:45,180
grips with some of these things you know

1492
01:04:50,150 --> 01:04:46,830
that the Hindus and the Buddhists and

1493
01:04:51,590 --> 01:04:50,160
the the even Christian mystics and the

1494
01:04:54,350 --> 01:04:51,600
cab block come all over the Jewish

1495
01:04:56,630 --> 01:04:54,360
community you know the the Zoroastrians

1496
01:04:59,420 --> 01:04:56,640
there's a very tiny percentage you know

1497
01:05:02,180 --> 01:04:59,430
1% of our human family like in any given

1498
01:05:05,620 --> 01:05:02,190
generation that has really explored

1499
01:05:08,960 --> 01:05:05,630
these type of subtle metaphysical realms

1500
01:05:11,300 --> 01:05:08,970
but the secrets the secrets that have

1501
01:05:14,630 --> 01:05:11,310
been historically hidden from the masses

1502
01:05:16,790 --> 01:05:14,640
for you know five thousand ten thousand

1503
01:05:18,740 --> 01:05:16,800
years you know are now starting to

1504
01:05:20,450 --> 01:05:18,750
become available but the fact of the

1505
01:05:22,760 --> 01:05:20,460
matter is you could stand on the street

1506
01:05:23,120 --> 01:05:22,770
corner trying to hand out you know shri

1507
01:05:25,220 --> 01:05:23,130
ARB

1508
01:05:27,470 --> 01:05:25,230
those writings you know on a corner and

1509
01:05:29,180 --> 01:05:27,480
in there are 1% of the people that even

1510
01:05:32,720 --> 01:05:29,190
bother reading them you know because

1511
01:05:35,540 --> 01:05:32,730
we're so densely entwined in our

1512
01:05:38,090 --> 01:05:35,550
materialistic consciousness and so that

1513
01:05:40,490 --> 01:05:38,100
the the failure on the part of the the

1514
01:05:42,320 --> 01:05:40,500
organized religions to you know they get

1515
01:05:45,820 --> 01:05:42,330
trapped in their in their kind of

1516
01:05:48,530 --> 01:05:45,830
bureaucratic lethargy in institutional

1517
01:05:50,900 --> 01:05:48,540
responsibilities and the role of the

1518
01:05:54,080 --> 01:05:50,910
Society of Jesus Lee the Jesuit Order is

1519
01:05:57,320 --> 01:05:54,090
you probably know in 1547 was to attempt

1520
01:06:00,860 --> 01:05:57,330
to reform the worldwide universal

1521
01:06:02,860 --> 01:06:00,870
Christian Church and to to cope with the

1522
01:06:06,410 --> 01:06:02,870
kind of corruption and the kind of

1523
01:06:08,630 --> 01:06:06,420
malfeasance that is renowned inside the

1524
01:06:10,600 --> 01:06:08,640
Catholic Church and virtually every one

1525
01:06:13,100 --> 01:06:10,610
of the major religions has this problem

1526
01:06:15,140 --> 01:06:13,110
and so that when I when I ended up

1527
01:06:17,330 --> 01:06:15,150
getting recruited out of Harvard

1528
01:06:19,370 --> 01:06:17,340
Divinity School while rolling over from

1529
01:06:21,530 --> 01:06:19,380
my master's program into my ph.d program

1530
01:06:24,830 --> 01:06:21,540
and got brought down to the headquarters

1531
01:06:27,140 --> 01:06:24,840
I ended up getting to devote a fairly

1532
01:06:30,230 --> 01:06:27,150
substantial amount of my time to trying

1533
01:06:32,090 --> 01:06:30,240
to explore this indirect context of

1534
01:06:34,520 --> 01:06:32,100
trying to figure out how we would make

1535
01:06:37,070 --> 01:06:34,530
choices on the public policy level of

1536
01:06:38,810 --> 01:06:37,080
what we would advocate and that this was

1537
01:06:41,360 --> 01:06:38,820
right in the midst of leading up to

1538
01:06:43,910 --> 01:06:41,370
vatican ii to trying to get the catholic

1539
01:06:46,310 --> 01:06:43,920
church to open its doors to reform to

1540
01:06:48,410 --> 01:06:46,320
get past this thing of mandatory

1541
01:06:50,150 --> 01:06:48,420
celibacy you know that is causing so

1542
01:06:52,670 --> 01:06:50,160
much terrible problems with the kind of

1543
01:06:54,260 --> 01:06:52,680
the sexual repression and perversion

1544
01:06:55,520 --> 01:06:54,270
that people have encountered you know

1545
01:06:58,100 --> 01:06:55,530
but the same thing is true of the other

1546
01:06:59,780 --> 01:06:58,110
religious communities you know that they

1547
01:07:02,540 --> 01:06:59,790
all have these terribly challenging

1548
01:07:04,760 --> 01:07:02,550
difficulties and what we have to try to

1549
01:07:07,880 --> 01:07:04,770
do as a human family is to reach out i

1550
01:07:10,040 --> 01:07:07,890
think we're most important calls that

1551
01:07:11,600 --> 01:07:10,050
we've encountered is the call that was

1552
01:07:16,070 --> 01:07:11,610
issued by the catholic church actually

1553
01:07:18,470 --> 01:07:16,080
back in november of 2009 actually now

1554
01:07:21,590 --> 01:07:18,480
it's like you know 11 years ago in

1555
01:07:24,380 --> 01:07:21,600
november after the vatican even under

1556
01:07:26,690 --> 01:07:24,390
benedict xvi this kind of reactionary

1557
01:07:28,430 --> 01:07:26,700
guy that they brought they brought a

1558
01:07:30,320 --> 01:07:28,440
whole bunch of world scientists to the

1559
01:07:32,870 --> 01:07:30,330
castle Gandolfo there was a papal

1560
01:07:35,360 --> 01:07:32,880
observatory a--'s and they they listened

1561
01:07:36,770 --> 01:07:35,370
to them explaining to them how in light

1562
01:07:39,920 --> 01:07:36,780
of the hubble in

1563
01:07:41,690 --> 01:07:39,930
Planck telescope and in the other

1564
01:07:44,060 --> 01:07:41,700
telescopes that we now have orbiting

1565
01:07:46,130 --> 01:07:44,070
that we're now being able to confirm for

1566
01:07:46,940 --> 01:07:46,140
absolute certainty that are indeed other

1567
01:07:52,250 --> 01:07:46,950
planets

1568
01:07:53,810 --> 01:07:52,260
and they're there now virtually certain

1569
01:07:55,100 --> 01:07:53,820
now they've come to grips with the

1570
01:07:56,920 --> 01:07:55,110
reality of the existence of

1571
01:08:00,710 --> 01:07:56,930
extraterrestrial intelligence in that

1572
01:08:03,350 --> 01:08:00,720
father josé Gabriel Funes who was the at

1573
01:08:05,360 --> 01:08:03,360
that time in may and 2009 was the

1574
01:08:07,940 --> 01:08:05,370
director of the Pontifical Observatory

1575
01:08:09,860 --> 01:08:07,950
at Catholic Gandolfo he's surrounded by

1576
01:08:12,410 --> 01:08:09,870
all the scientists and all kinds of the

1577
01:08:14,660 --> 01:08:12,420
Cardinals in the church standing in the

1578
01:08:18,440 --> 01:08:14,670
well of the the press office at the

1579
01:08:20,950 --> 01:08:18,450
Vatican stated that in light of the

1580
01:08:24,320 --> 01:08:20,960
discovery of more and more of these

1581
01:08:26,720 --> 01:08:24,330
exoplanets in other star systems it's

1582
01:08:28,340 --> 01:08:26,730
now has now become clear that much

1583
01:08:30,860 --> 01:08:28,350
sooner that had previously been

1584
01:08:33,950 --> 01:08:30,870
anticipated we are going to discover

1585
01:08:36,890 --> 01:08:33,960
life elsewhere in the universe and so

1586
01:08:38,570 --> 01:08:36,900
therefore the time has arrived for the

1587
01:08:42,309 --> 01:08:38,580
beginning of a very serious conversation

1588
01:08:45,260 --> 01:08:42,319
about the profound philosophical and

1589
01:08:47,539 --> 01:08:45,270
theological questions that are posed to

1590
01:08:49,370 --> 01:08:47,549
our human family by the discovery of

1591
01:08:51,650 --> 01:08:49,380
life elsewhere in the universe

1592
01:08:53,300 --> 01:08:51,660
now because of my position as chief

1593
01:08:55,190 --> 01:08:53,310
counsel at the Jesuit headquarters in

1594
01:08:57,860 --> 01:08:55,200
the social ministry office I reached

1595
01:09:00,020 --> 01:08:57,870
right out to to father josé Gabriel

1596
01:09:02,000 --> 01:09:00,030
Funes went to see him within three

1597
01:09:04,460 --> 01:09:02,010
minutes he acknowledged to me he's not

1598
01:09:07,579 --> 01:09:04,470
talking about the discovery of bacteria

1599
01:09:09,620 --> 01:09:07,589
under some ice-covered ocean you know on

1600
01:09:11,960 --> 01:09:09,630
a planet you know at 10 light-years away

1601
01:09:13,610 --> 01:09:11,970
he's talking about the discovery of

1602
01:09:15,500 --> 01:09:13,620
another highly intelligent and highly

1603
01:09:18,110 --> 01:09:15,510
technologically developed but

1604
01:09:20,960 --> 01:09:18,120
categorically non-human species right

1605
01:09:22,849 --> 01:09:20,970
here in our own galaxy in that this is a

1606
01:09:24,860 --> 01:09:22,859
profound question that's confronting the

1607
01:09:26,960 --> 01:09:24,870
church it's a profound question that is

1608
01:09:29,270 --> 01:09:26,970
confronting our entire human family it

1609
01:09:31,309 --> 01:09:29,280
confronts all of our institutions not

1610
01:09:33,140 --> 01:09:31,319
only are our economic institutions of

1611
01:09:35,539 --> 01:09:33,150
our political institutions our military

1612
01:09:36,650 --> 01:09:35,549
institutions so you see a response for

1613
01:09:38,960 --> 01:09:36,660
example on the part of our military

1614
01:09:41,510 --> 01:09:38,970
institutions like the to the Stars

1615
01:09:43,640 --> 01:09:41,520
Academy mm-hmm you know where where they

1616
01:09:46,280 --> 01:09:43,650
come up men who have devoted their

1617
01:09:48,140 --> 01:09:46,290
entire lives to the defense industry

1618
01:09:50,210 --> 01:09:48,150
have come up out of the shadows now

1619
01:09:52,670 --> 01:09:50,220
they're stepping forward saying look at

1620
01:09:55,610 --> 01:09:52,680
it's time that we come to grips with the

1621
01:09:57,050 --> 01:09:55,620
reality of UFOs but as you know they

1622
01:09:59,480 --> 01:09:57,060
they're they're pulling their punches

1623
01:10:01,310 --> 01:09:59,490
they're drawing back and saying well we

1624
01:10:03,440 --> 01:10:01,320
can't tell where they come from you know

1625
01:10:04,910 --> 01:10:03,450
we know they're not Russian we know that

1626
01:10:07,130 --> 01:10:04,920
they're not ours we know they're not

1627
01:10:09,500 --> 01:10:07,140
Chinese we know that they're functioning

1628
01:10:11,930 --> 01:10:09,510
beyond any of the capacities that are

1629
01:10:13,520 --> 01:10:11,940
known in physics to us but we don't know

1630
01:10:15,430 --> 01:10:13,530
where they come from you know in what

1631
01:10:18,620 --> 01:10:15,440
they're doing is they're intentionally

1632
01:10:21,560 --> 01:10:18,630
ignoring cutting themselves off from all

1633
01:10:23,560 --> 01:10:21,570
of the information about reports of

1634
01:10:28,250 --> 01:10:23,570
actual extraterrestrial beings

1635
01:10:31,250 --> 01:10:28,260
interacting with oh man we just lost

1636
01:10:35,360 --> 01:10:31,260
Daniel just like that do you like that

1637
01:10:39,320 --> 01:10:35,370
wasn't that interesting okay let me

1638
01:10:43,880 --> 01:10:39,330
raise him again right here that was

1639
01:10:47,060 --> 01:10:43,890
interesting just like that just to click

1640
01:10:50,840 --> 01:10:47,070
right at the key moment I don't I don't

1641
01:11:04,040 --> 01:10:50,850
I don't even react anymore folks I don't

1642
01:11:11,880 --> 01:11:08,100
not connecting then somebody's just jump

1643
01:11:14,790 --> 01:11:11,890
in and cut this off okay Daniel you

1644
01:11:15,510 --> 01:11:14,800
there okay yeah I'm here okay way up on

1645
01:11:17,310 --> 01:11:15,520
the reservation

1646
01:11:19,590 --> 01:11:17,320
I'm sorry that gets a little difficult

1647
01:11:25,740 --> 01:11:19,600
up here sometimes that was the NSA

1648
01:11:27,990 --> 01:11:25,750
stepping in okay I'm not Paul T I'm not

1649
01:11:29,610 --> 01:11:28,000
faulting them categorically regin saying

1650
01:11:31,710 --> 01:11:29,620
that that's their own choice because

1651
01:11:33,210 --> 01:11:31,720
they spent their entire lives they spent

1652
01:11:35,760 --> 01:11:33,220
their entire lives in the military

1653
01:11:39,390 --> 01:11:35,770
establishment and they perceived the

1654
01:11:41,550 --> 01:11:39,400
entire the entire manifestation of the

1655
01:11:43,800 --> 01:11:41,560
UFOs and the potential existence of

1656
01:11:46,410 --> 01:11:43,810
extraterrestrial life in terms of a

1657
01:11:48,060 --> 01:11:46,420
threat to our national security right

1658
01:11:49,860 --> 01:11:48,070
that is the security of the national

1659
01:11:53,340 --> 01:11:49,870
security state and that's totally to be

1660
01:11:56,370 --> 01:11:53,350
understood but dr. John Mack at Harvard

1661
01:11:59,250 --> 01:11:56,380
University he wanted to found a the

1662
01:12:01,650 --> 01:11:59,260
Institute the worldview Institute to

1663
01:12:03,540 --> 01:12:01,660
study all of the human world views to

1664
01:12:05,940 --> 01:12:03,550
try to move toward opening up a

1665
01:12:07,830 --> 01:12:05,950
discussion about this eight paradigm

1666
01:12:10,440 --> 01:12:07,840
worldview that would require of course

1667
01:12:12,360 --> 01:12:10,450
fleshing out the particulars of all of

1668
01:12:14,250 --> 01:12:12,370
the other seven world views and then

1669
01:12:16,650 --> 01:12:14,260
trying to understand how this compares

1670
01:12:18,180 --> 01:12:16,660
and contrasts with them you know over

1671
01:12:21,060 --> 01:12:18,190
and above the fact that it's the only

1672
01:12:23,490 --> 01:12:21,070
worldview that does not attach itself to

1673
01:12:30,210 --> 01:12:23,500
the existence of our human family is the

1674
01:12:35,670 --> 01:12:30,220
only sentient life-form yeah but where's

1675
01:12:39,420 --> 01:12:35,680
our threat where's the threat I don't

1676
01:12:41,010 --> 01:12:39,430
believe there is the obvious but but the

1677
01:12:43,050 --> 01:12:41,020
problem is and I don't mean to demean

1678
01:12:44,940 --> 01:12:43,060
them but you know that the fact is

1679
01:12:47,910 --> 01:12:44,950
there's an old Sufi saying that when a

1680
01:12:51,390 --> 01:12:47,920
pickpocket meets the saint all he sees

1681
01:12:53,640 --> 01:12:51,400
are his pockets and that you know when a

1682
01:12:56,220 --> 01:12:53,650
person is spend their entire political

1683
01:12:58,770 --> 01:12:56,230
career their entire professional career

1684
01:13:00,630 --> 01:12:58,780
inside the military and that they are

1685
01:13:03,540 --> 01:13:00,640
trained instinctively to think of

1686
01:13:05,610 --> 01:13:03,550
anything that doesn't respond to the

1687
01:13:08,190 --> 01:13:05,620
dominant control of the leaders of our

1688
01:13:10,710 --> 01:13:08,200
nation state as a potential threat as a

1689
01:13:12,780 --> 01:13:10,720
potential adversary you know that's how

1690
01:13:14,850 --> 01:13:12,790
they experience it you know like you

1691
01:13:16,239 --> 01:13:14,860
remember Louella thunder you know when

1692
01:13:17,410 --> 01:13:16,249
he was a he

1693
01:13:20,739 --> 01:13:17,420
see the famous things that Lou keeps

1694
01:13:22,330 --> 01:13:20,749
saying well you know if you get ready to

1695
01:13:24,100 --> 01:13:22,340
go to bed at night and you lock all of

1696
01:13:26,200 --> 01:13:24,110
your doors and lock all of your windows

1697
01:13:28,810 --> 01:13:26,210
and you wake up the next morning and you

1698
01:13:30,969 --> 01:13:28,820
find muddy boot prints across your

1699
01:13:32,770 --> 01:13:30,979
living room rug you know that

1700
01:13:35,589 --> 01:13:32,780
something's going on even if you don't

1701
01:13:38,339 --> 01:13:35,599
know what it is that's that's his kind

1702
01:13:41,200 --> 01:13:38,349
of presentation of the UFO phenomenon

1703
01:13:43,450 --> 01:13:41,210
you know but he experiences it as an

1704
01:13:46,839 --> 01:13:43,460
odious type of threat of someone in

1705
01:13:49,509 --> 01:13:46,849
invading your sacred private space and

1706
01:13:51,279 --> 01:13:49,519
that's how they experience it so we need

1707
01:13:53,770 --> 01:13:51,289
is not that they're not part of the

1708
01:13:55,509 --> 01:13:53,780
dialogue they are they are good

1709
01:13:58,560 --> 01:13:55,519
representatives of the second paradigm

1710
01:14:03,359 --> 01:13:58,570
dialectical you know in yang

1711
01:14:10,149 --> 01:14:05,680
this is what's really funny about that

1712
01:14:12,939 --> 01:14:10,159
statement from Elizondo if there is a

1713
01:14:16,719 --> 01:14:12,949
threat from somebody that can arrive

1714
01:14:20,109 --> 01:14:16,729
here on an interstellar spaceship you

1715
01:14:32,879 --> 01:14:20,119
ain't got no defense the only defense is

1716
01:14:38,799 --> 01:14:36,489
yeah you know that in the day but that

1717
01:14:41,169 --> 01:14:38,809
isn't part of their their training and

1718
01:14:43,540 --> 01:14:41,179
their experience you know and so that so

1719
01:14:45,459 --> 01:14:43,550
that one can't fault them as such over

1720
01:14:46,899 --> 01:14:45,469
that you know but but they have to

1721
01:14:49,149 --> 01:14:46,909
really understand well they may have a

1722
01:14:51,850 --> 01:14:49,159
place at the table they don't own the

1723
01:14:56,080 --> 01:14:51,860
table no not at all not at all you don't

1724
01:14:58,839 --> 01:14:56,090
even you don't even deserve a place at

1725
01:15:02,549 --> 01:14:58,849
the table as long as you well as long as

1726
01:15:07,779 --> 01:15:05,169
that's exactly the problem the problem

1727
01:15:10,689 --> 01:15:07,789
is is that the adherence to every single

1728
01:15:12,189 --> 01:15:10,699
one of the world views all along the

1729
01:15:14,859 --> 01:15:12,199
political spectrum from right to left

1730
01:15:16,359 --> 01:15:14,869
all turn and look at the world view to

1731
01:15:19,029 --> 01:15:16,369
their left and the world view to their

1732
01:15:20,560 --> 01:15:19,039
right and they hold them in contempt and

1733
01:15:22,450 --> 01:15:20,570
they do mean them and they think they

1734
01:15:24,399 --> 01:15:22,460
don't have a place at the table you need

1735
01:15:26,979 --> 01:15:24,409
to remember if you would draw any one of

1736
01:15:28,959 --> 01:15:26,989
these lasers of pure light other of

1737
01:15:29,770 --> 01:15:28,969
their particular vibrational frequency

1738
01:15:32,020 --> 01:15:29,780
from the

1739
01:15:34,330 --> 01:15:32,030
interface on this on the one single spot

1740
01:15:37,000 --> 01:15:34,340
you never generate white light there's

1741
01:15:39,010 --> 01:15:37,010
there certain dimensions of insight that

1742
01:15:41,500 --> 01:15:39,020
the the world's each of the world views

1743
01:15:43,300 --> 01:15:41,510
has just like each of the chakras you

1744
01:15:45,250 --> 01:15:43,310
know to say that's why you get these

1745
01:15:47,020 --> 01:15:45,260
fundamental sets anything below the

1746
01:15:49,690 --> 01:15:47,030
waist you know the root chakra and the

1747
01:15:52,000 --> 01:15:49,700
the genital chakra the power chakra you

1748
01:15:54,160 --> 01:15:52,010
know they they view these as an azimuth

1749
01:15:55,990 --> 01:15:54,170
that they're absolutely abhorrent and

1750
01:15:57,910 --> 01:15:56,000
therefore they don't integrate them into

1751
01:15:59,680 --> 01:15:57,920
their life you know and they think that

1752
01:16:01,720 --> 01:15:59,690
they have to exist all in their heart or

1753
01:16:04,060 --> 01:16:01,730
are all up in the sixth chakra you know

1754
01:16:06,790 --> 01:16:04,070
their brow chakra and and they basically

1755
01:16:09,370 --> 01:16:06,800
try to cut off the energy of all the

1756
01:16:11,770 --> 01:16:09,380
rest of the human body yeah it's not a

1757
01:16:14,110 --> 01:16:11,780
healthy thing to do and in the same

1758
01:16:16,450 --> 01:16:14,120
sense you don't want to exclude people

1759
01:16:18,130 --> 01:16:16,460
who are dialectician the real tough guys

1760
01:16:19,990 --> 01:16:18,140
the real tough guys are the

1761
01:16:21,370 --> 01:16:20,000
authoritarians you know the ones that

1762
01:16:23,110 --> 01:16:21,380
are one step to the right of the

1763
01:16:25,390 --> 01:16:23,120
reactionaries you know the first

1764
01:16:28,120 --> 01:16:25,400
paradigm world you guys authoritarians

1765
01:16:30,820 --> 01:16:28,130
are really hard to cope with because

1766
01:16:33,880 --> 01:16:30,830
they are absolutely experienced rly

1767
01:16:36,940 --> 01:16:33,890
convinced that the universe is chaos and

1768
01:16:40,060 --> 01:16:36,950
that the only possible response is to

1769
01:16:42,940 --> 01:16:40,070
impose a completely artificial order

1770
01:16:45,310 --> 01:16:42,950
through an authoritarian regime you know

1771
01:16:46,810 --> 01:16:45,320
which they're part of you know and so

1772
01:16:49,030 --> 01:16:46,820
that they're very difficult because

1773
01:16:50,500 --> 01:16:49,040
because they are much more so than

1774
01:16:53,230 --> 01:16:50,510
almost any other one of the worldviews

1775
01:16:55,450 --> 01:16:53,240
completely intolerant of every one of

1776
01:16:58,450 --> 01:16:55,460
the other worldviews and so it's hard to

1777
01:17:00,550 --> 01:16:58,460
have them at the table but what I'm

1778
01:17:02,380 --> 01:17:00,560
trying to do at least part of I've tried

1779
01:17:04,480 --> 01:17:02,390
to do in the Jesuit Order and try to do

1780
01:17:06,610 --> 01:17:04,490
in the talks with the Catholic Church

1781
01:17:08,020 --> 01:17:06,620
and the bishops and father you know Jose

1782
01:17:09,880 --> 01:17:08,030
Gabriel Funes and the others that are

1783
01:17:12,460 --> 01:17:09,890
talking about this I'm trying to get

1784
01:17:15,790 --> 01:17:12,470
people to understand that you have to be

1785
01:17:17,800 --> 01:17:15,800
able to embrace and listen to what the

1786
01:17:19,480 --> 01:17:17,810
pieces are that each of the world views

1787
01:17:21,340 --> 01:17:19,490
are being proposing because it's

1788
01:17:24,010 --> 01:17:21,350
absolutely central to remember Jimmy we

1789
01:17:25,990 --> 01:17:24,020
ought to remember this is it nobody that

1790
01:17:28,960 --> 01:17:26,000
yet at this point in time has a

1791
01:17:31,450 --> 01:17:28,970
definitively correct answer to any one

1792
01:17:34,660 --> 01:17:31,460
of these four pillar worldviews correct

1793
01:17:37,120 --> 01:17:34,670
yes so so you know to get self-righteous

1794
01:17:39,610 --> 01:17:37,130
about our own either conscious or

1795
01:17:41,680 --> 01:17:39,620
unconscious belief system about the

1796
01:17:42,970 --> 01:17:41,690
answer to those questions is you know

1797
01:17:44,860 --> 01:17:42,980
hubris and it

1798
01:17:46,840 --> 01:17:44,870
to be potentially the end of our human

1799
01:17:49,360 --> 01:17:46,850
species so you have to be able to

1800
01:17:52,330 --> 01:17:49,370
overcome that that kind of hostility

1801
01:17:55,680 --> 01:17:52,340
toward adheres to other worldviews to

1802
01:17:58,960 --> 01:17:55,690
try to harvest the positive aspects of

1803
01:18:01,510 --> 01:17:58,970
reality perceived by each one of the

1804
01:18:03,760 --> 01:18:01,520
worldviews and get us all into harmony

1805
01:18:06,160 --> 01:18:03,770
but it but it's an interference pattern

1806
01:18:09,580 --> 01:18:06,170
at least pursuant to the analogy of the

1807
01:18:12,160 --> 01:18:09,590
laser life it sets up a dissonance and

1808
01:18:14,380 --> 01:18:12,170
interference pattern it's like an

1809
01:18:16,570 --> 01:18:14,390
overtone like you know if you if you

1810
01:18:18,250 --> 01:18:16,580
whistle really loudly right next to

1811
01:18:19,780 --> 01:18:18,260
someone and they're whistling in two

1812
01:18:22,560 --> 01:18:19,790
different keys and you are there's this

1813
01:18:25,000 --> 01:18:22,570
resident overtone that gets generated

1814
01:18:27,250 --> 01:18:25,010
and that the overtone couldn't be

1815
01:18:29,470 --> 01:18:27,260
generated by either one of them yeah it

1816
01:18:32,170 --> 01:18:29,480
has to be both together and so there's

1817
01:18:35,170 --> 01:18:32,180
this overtone that has to get generated

1818
01:18:37,300 --> 01:18:35,180
and respected by the manifestation of

1819
01:18:39,940 --> 01:18:37,310
each of the worldviews but we have to do

1820
01:18:41,950 --> 01:18:39,950
this in a way that doesn't demonize and

1821
01:18:43,390 --> 01:18:41,960
try to destroy each of the other

1822
01:18:44,740 --> 01:18:43,400
adherence for the other worldviews

1823
01:18:46,750 --> 01:18:44,750
that's right that's right and you know

1824
01:18:51,340 --> 01:18:46,760
what's so interesting about that because

1825
01:18:54,280 --> 01:18:51,350
it in in its in its basic form what you

1826
01:18:58,210 --> 01:18:54,290
are suggesting here is actually quite

1827
01:19:01,360 --> 01:18:58,220
simple we make it complex but the

1828
01:19:05,860 --> 01:19:01,370
answers are very very simple and if you

1829
01:19:08,440 --> 01:19:05,870
take the view of our planet you are your

1830
01:19:12,250 --> 01:19:08,450
way out your fear on the moon and you

1831
01:19:14,320 --> 01:19:12,260
look back at planet Earth it and you

1832
01:19:17,229 --> 01:19:14,330
think about what's going on there the

1833
01:19:20,380 --> 01:19:17,239
micro side of it not the macro the micro

1834
01:19:22,810 --> 01:19:20,390
where we are actually fighting each

1835
01:19:25,870 --> 01:19:22,820
other over religions and borders and

1836
01:19:29,290 --> 01:19:25,880
money and resources and killing each

1837
01:19:33,040 --> 01:19:29,300
other is the craziest stupidest thing

1838
01:19:35,650 --> 01:19:33,050
ever it's just like you know what

1839
01:19:37,240 --> 01:19:35,660
intelligent species in this universe

1840
01:19:43,210 --> 01:19:37,250
would look at us and go well they're

1841
01:19:45,280 --> 01:19:43,220
worthy of talking to they got it we have

1842
01:19:48,600 --> 01:19:45,290
you know and so that so that the the

1843
01:19:51,490 --> 01:19:48,610
test you know in there there are various

1844
01:19:53,020 --> 01:19:51,500
exercises in and points of view inside

1845
01:19:54,970 --> 01:19:53,030
various religious traditions and

1846
01:19:56,800 --> 01:19:54,980
spiritual communities that try to deal

1847
01:19:59,980 --> 01:19:56,810
with this by saying that

1848
01:20:03,040 --> 01:19:59,990
you know you look at your own child

1849
01:20:06,550 --> 01:20:03,050
in the eyes when they're first born and

1850
01:20:08,710 --> 01:20:06,560
you see this helpless loving infant that

1851
01:20:11,530 --> 01:20:08,720
is completely dependent upon you and you

1852
01:20:13,900 --> 01:20:11,540
have this rush of extraordinary love for

1853
01:20:16,810 --> 01:20:13,910
this little little being you have to

1854
01:20:20,050 --> 01:20:16,820
have try to develop that same degree of

1855
01:20:22,180 --> 01:20:20,060
love for every other not only human

1856
01:20:25,180 --> 01:20:22,190
being but you have to have that same

1857
01:20:29,140 --> 01:20:25,190
kind of love for other sentient beings

1858
01:20:31,270 --> 01:20:29,150
you know for dogs and cats and bears and

1859
01:20:34,210 --> 01:20:31,280
deer and you know people from other

1860
01:20:36,810 --> 01:20:34,220
races and in people who don't like you

1861
01:20:39,850 --> 01:20:36,820
people who were mean to you others other

1862
01:20:43,480 --> 01:20:39,860
species and other galaxies you know the

1863
01:20:45,550 --> 01:20:43,490
development of that kind of ability to

1864
01:20:47,980 --> 01:20:45,560
have that kind of affection really

1865
01:20:50,890 --> 01:20:47,990
requires the opening up of all of our

1866
01:20:52,840 --> 01:20:50,900
chakras and opening up that 8th chakra

1867
01:20:56,350 --> 01:20:52,850
so that you can have that kind of

1868
01:20:59,470 --> 01:20:56,360
illumination that you as you you are the

1869
01:21:02,230 --> 01:20:59,480
Christ and overflowing source of the

1870
01:21:06,400 --> 01:21:02,240
flow of Kundalini energy out into the

1871
01:21:08,260 --> 01:21:06,410
world it just exudes love and affection

1872
01:21:10,270 --> 01:21:08,270
for others and you can discover that

1873
01:21:13,780 --> 01:21:10,280
that actually has an effect upon other

1874
01:21:16,930 --> 01:21:13,790
people it's a field of energy around you

1875
01:21:20,170 --> 01:21:16,940
that basically draws other people into

1876
01:21:21,790 --> 01:21:20,180
it now I don't buy enemies profess to be

1877
01:21:23,440 --> 01:21:21,800
anywhere near that you know what I'm

1878
01:21:26,470 --> 01:21:23,450
doing the deposition of the Grand Dragon

1879
01:21:28,210 --> 01:21:26,480
of the Ku Klux Klan no that is that is

1880
01:21:30,760 --> 01:21:28,220
gunned down on the streets of Greensboro

1881
01:21:33,220 --> 01:21:30,770
North Carolina back in 97 I gunned down

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01:21:35,560 --> 01:21:33,230
you know six of the people who were just

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01:21:37,060 --> 01:21:35,570
trying to organize a union at the

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01:21:38,380 --> 01:21:37,070
textile mill because they were

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01:21:40,270 --> 01:21:38,390
organizing black and white people

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01:21:42,100 --> 01:21:40,280
together on an equal basis and I'm

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01:21:44,920 --> 01:21:42,110
sitting across from him and he's sitting

1888
01:21:48,520 --> 01:21:44,930
there with a with a lapel pin with six

1889
01:21:50,200 --> 01:21:48,530
calls on the lapel pin that represent

1890
01:21:52,750 --> 01:21:50,210
the people that they shot down and

1891
01:21:54,760 --> 01:21:52,760
killed that I represent you know that my

1892
01:21:57,820 --> 01:21:54,770
temptation to leap across the table and

1893
01:22:01,870 --> 01:21:57,830
strangle that guy you know is especially

1894
01:22:04,510 --> 01:22:01,880
for a college football linebacker in my

1895
01:22:07,150 --> 01:22:04,520
in my earlier incarnation it was very

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01:22:08,770 --> 01:22:07,160
challenging you know and you have to try

1897
01:22:10,879 --> 01:22:08,780
to go through those experiences and

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01:22:12,890 --> 01:22:10,889
overcome those experience

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01:22:14,629 --> 01:22:12,900
you know on a scale of 1 to 100 I'm

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01:22:17,629 --> 01:22:14,639
lucky if I'm in the double figures of

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01:22:21,879 --> 01:22:17,639
evolution class right now but at least I

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01:22:26,390 --> 01:22:24,680
yeah that's half of it let's uh let's

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01:22:28,970 --> 01:22:26,400
take our break right here we need to get

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01:22:32,240 --> 01:22:28,980
this in Daniel P Sheehan is the guest

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01:22:33,799 --> 01:22:32,250
the new paradigm shift is the subject

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this is fade to black our Mills Jimmy

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01:22:36,859 --> 01:22:35,940
Church will carry on McDaniel right

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01:22:37,780 --> 01:22:36,869
after this short break

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stay with us

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[Music]

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welcome back fade to black I'm Neil

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Jimmy Church our guest tonight Daniel PC

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and then he can become an official fade

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01:23:03,339 --> 01:23:01,039
or not by simply going to our membership

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01:23:06,369 --> 01:23:03,349
section over two meters radio.com become

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01:23:08,350 --> 01:23:06,379
a game changer today over at our

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01:23:11,859 --> 01:23:08,360
membership section it's very simple just

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go click join you can also gift a fade

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or not membership all right Daniel this

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okay this is my take I want I want your

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01:23:24,850 --> 01:23:20,629
response I can play I can tell you how

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01:23:30,009 --> 01:23:24,860
to get F lee Bailey and and everybody

1923
01:23:33,040 --> 01:23:30,019
else on the 8th segment bandwagon the

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01:23:36,089 --> 01:23:33,050
all-encompassing light the entire planet

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01:23:41,949 --> 01:23:36,099
and one move this is how it would happen

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01:23:44,319 --> 01:23:41,959
eet eet arrives ET arrives big starship

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01:23:47,439 --> 01:23:44,329
right over the United States we all see

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01:23:50,409 --> 01:23:47,449
it they come down and they go what's up

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01:23:56,139 --> 01:23:50,419
and then they get back on the ship and

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split that's it they leave and leave us

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alone

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that's when the wakeup would happen

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01:24:04,029 --> 01:24:01,639
right there we don't have to talk

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01:24:06,100 --> 01:24:04,039
there's no dialogue all we know is

1935
01:24:07,659 --> 01:24:06,110
there's somebody out there much more

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01:24:09,520 --> 01:24:07,669
advanced than us and they're not

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01:24:12,310 --> 01:24:09,530
interested we've got to get our stuff

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01:24:17,529 --> 01:24:12,320
together and that's it that it that

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01:24:19,659 --> 01:24:17,539
would be the paradigm shift ok I hear I

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01:24:21,839 --> 01:24:19,669
hear what you're saying that one of one

1941
01:24:27,189 --> 01:24:21,849
of the one of the challenges is that

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01:24:29,139 --> 01:24:27,199
each each of the adherents a full pure

1943
01:24:32,199 --> 01:24:29,149
kind of adherence to each of the

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01:24:34,689 --> 01:24:32,209
respective worldviews they they actually

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01:24:37,060 --> 01:24:34,699
experience the phenomenon in a different

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01:24:40,659 --> 01:24:37,070
way that the people who are in the

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01:24:43,449 --> 01:24:40,669
military you know was view a massive

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01:24:45,790 --> 01:24:43,459
ship of that kind coming into their

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01:24:48,159 --> 01:24:45,800
airspace they would immediately

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01:24:50,560 --> 01:24:48,169
immobilize they would mobilize all of

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01:24:51,790 --> 01:24:50,570
their military forces against they would

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01:24:53,770 --> 01:24:51,800
come to see that they're kind of

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01:24:56,080 --> 01:24:53,780
militarily helpless it would regard to

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01:24:58,419 --> 01:24:56,090
it they would feel pre-eminently

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01:25:00,670 --> 01:24:58,429
challenged and what they would do is

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01:25:02,290 --> 01:25:00,680
there they would resort to

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01:25:05,320 --> 01:25:02,300
dramatically increasing the amount of

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01:25:06,670 --> 01:25:05,330
research they're doing on the pieces of

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01:25:09,310 --> 01:25:06,680
the various crafts that they've

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01:25:12,280 --> 01:25:09,320
recovered down through the last 75 years

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01:25:14,170 --> 01:25:12,290
to try to develop a weapon system that

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01:25:16,150 --> 01:25:14,180
they think they could take on that group

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01:25:18,310 --> 01:25:16,160
with because that's how they think about

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01:25:19,990 --> 01:25:18,320
it you know and that the other group of

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01:25:21,790 --> 01:25:20,000
people that are like in the you know the

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01:25:24,760 --> 01:25:21,800
seventh paradigm people they would say

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01:25:26,470 --> 01:25:24,770
oh this must be the Angels these must be

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01:25:28,060 --> 01:25:26,480
the angelic beings that we've heard

1969
01:25:29,830 --> 01:25:28,070
about so much you know we ought to

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01:25:32,200 --> 01:25:29,840
praise them we ought to worship them

1971
01:25:35,020 --> 01:25:32,210
they are so much more superior to us and

1972
01:25:38,230 --> 01:25:35,030
it must be the explanation for the Greek

1973
01:25:41,350 --> 01:25:38,240
Olympiad gods and stuff you know that

1974
01:25:43,090 --> 01:25:41,360
what we need to do is we need to be able

1975
01:25:45,580 --> 01:25:43,100
to we've got enough information right

1976
01:25:48,130 --> 01:25:45,590
now within our human family to realize

1977
01:25:51,370 --> 01:25:48,140
that the time has come when you when you

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01:25:53,830 --> 01:25:51,380
have official spokespeople for the

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01:25:56,620 --> 01:25:53,840
largest single religious denomination in

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01:26:00,490 --> 01:25:56,630
the entire Western civilization issuing

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01:26:02,140 --> 01:26:00,500
a formal public call announcing that you

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01:26:04,270 --> 01:26:02,150
know that we're on the brink of

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01:26:05,980 --> 01:26:04,280
discovery they don't say that we may

1984
01:26:08,110 --> 01:26:05,990
discover it they're taking position we

1985
01:26:10,660 --> 01:26:08,120
are going to discover it and that the

1986
01:26:12,760 --> 01:26:10,670
time has come to start reflecting on the

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01:26:14,890 --> 01:26:12,770
fundamental philosophical and

1988
01:26:16,810 --> 01:26:14,900
theological questions that's right you

1989
01:26:18,970 --> 01:26:16,820
know this these are our institutions

1990
01:26:20,950 --> 01:26:18,980
trying to you know be given their all

1991
01:26:23,200 --> 01:26:20,960
their limitations trying to reach out to

1992
01:26:25,120 --> 01:26:23,210
get this thing to start to happen that's

1993
01:26:27,280 --> 01:26:25,130
what we really need to do but you know

1994
01:26:30,520 --> 01:26:27,290
we cannot constantly be depending upon

1995
01:26:32,650 --> 01:26:30,530
some intervention Airy force that we

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01:26:36,360 --> 01:26:32,660
have to demonstrate the worthiness that

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01:26:38,470 --> 01:26:36,370
we actually have evolved to be worthy to

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01:26:40,540 --> 01:26:38,480
participate in an extraterrestrial

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01:26:42,370 --> 01:26:40,550
civilization you know that you can't you

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01:26:44,410 --> 01:26:42,380
can't you remember there's an old

2001
01:26:45,850 --> 01:26:44,420
there's an old story that I've always

2002
01:26:49,900 --> 01:26:45,860
been very impressed by there was a

2003
01:26:51,340 --> 01:26:49,910
little boy who loved butterflies and he

2004
01:26:52,780 --> 01:26:51,350
wanted to collect all the different

2005
01:26:54,400 --> 01:26:52,790
kinds of butterflies to keep them in

2006
01:26:56,020 --> 01:26:54,410
this little aviary that he had where

2007
01:26:58,170 --> 01:26:56,030
they all fly around in there and what he

2008
01:27:01,300 --> 01:26:58,180
did is he was looking around for a

2009
01:27:03,250 --> 01:27:01,310
perfect monarch butterfly specimen and

2010
01:27:05,170 --> 01:27:03,260
he finally found this little cocoon of a

2011
01:27:07,630 --> 01:27:05,180
monarch butterfly and he brought it home

2012
01:27:09,430 --> 01:27:07,640
and he put it in this little box it was

2013
01:27:11,620 --> 01:27:09,440
cotton all around it and had a light on

2014
01:27:14,020 --> 01:27:11,630
it to help it evolve and he watched it

2015
01:27:14,290 --> 01:27:14,030
and watch it and the time came when the

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01:27:15,939 --> 01:27:14,300
butter

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01:27:18,129 --> 01:27:15,949
so I started to break out of the cocoon

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01:27:19,390 --> 01:27:18,139
and it was struggling and his wings

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01:27:21,790 --> 01:27:19,400
started to come out and it was

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01:27:23,859 --> 01:27:21,800
struggling against these these the

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01:27:26,620 --> 01:27:23,869
silken threads and it got to the point

2022
01:27:28,540 --> 01:27:26,630
where had one something thread left to

2023
01:27:30,280 --> 01:27:28,550
go and it was struggling and struggling

2024
01:27:32,049 --> 01:27:30,290
and struggling trying to break this last

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01:27:33,549 --> 01:27:32,059
thread and the little boy couldn't stand

2026
01:27:36,879 --> 01:27:33,559
it any longer he had a little tiny

2027
01:27:40,959 --> 01:27:36,889
peices fierce buddy he cut that last

2028
01:27:43,209 --> 01:27:40,969
little golden thread and the butterfly

2029
01:27:46,540 --> 01:27:43,219
came free and it was the most perfect

2030
01:27:50,200 --> 01:27:46,550
specimen of a monarch butterfly except

2031
01:27:52,780 --> 01:27:50,210
that it could never fly because it was

2032
01:27:55,450 --> 01:27:52,790
in the struggle against that last strand

2033
01:27:58,330 --> 01:27:55,460
of silken thread that they would

2034
01:28:01,000 --> 01:27:58,340
actually be able to develop the internal

2035
01:28:03,819 --> 01:28:01,010
muscle structure that was essential to

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01:28:05,680 --> 01:28:03,829
it being able to fly on its own you see

2037
01:28:07,740 --> 01:28:05,690
and this is the thing with our human

2038
01:28:11,709 --> 01:28:07,750
family we have to be able to evolve

2039
01:28:15,220 --> 01:28:11,719
these qualities of spirit in a

2040
01:28:18,370 --> 01:28:15,230
metaphysical perception in humility and

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01:28:19,089 --> 01:28:18,380
a sense of a holistic belonging to our

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01:28:21,910 --> 01:28:19,099
universe

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01:28:24,370 --> 01:28:21,920
and the love of our planet you know in

2044
01:28:26,799 --> 01:28:24,380
the caring for our planet you know and

2045
01:28:28,750 --> 01:28:26,809
not be trapped in for example thinking

2046
01:28:32,109 --> 01:28:28,760
that we have to dig into the earth and

2047
01:28:35,290 --> 01:28:32,119
pull out of it it's oil and it's gas so

2048
01:28:38,410 --> 01:28:35,300
that we can generate cars that'll go you

2049
01:28:40,990 --> 01:28:38,420
know from zero to 60 in 1.8 seconds and

2050
01:28:43,390 --> 01:28:41,000
and you know it can race across the the

2051
01:28:45,339 --> 01:28:43,400
planet you know on these asphalt

2052
01:28:47,649 --> 01:28:45,349
highways this mother all the living

2053
01:28:49,240 --> 01:28:47,659
beings in the in the soil you know we've

2054
01:28:52,120 --> 01:28:49,250
got to be able to overcome this

2055
01:28:54,490 --> 01:28:52,130
ourselves we and we need to do it from a

2056
01:28:56,859 --> 01:28:54,500
point of view of affection not a point

2057
01:28:58,810 --> 01:28:56,869
of view of fear you know it was Ronald

2058
01:29:00,040 --> 01:28:58,820
Reagan himself has said it's standing on

2059
01:29:02,350 --> 01:29:00,050
the floor of the United Nations

2060
01:29:03,339 --> 01:29:02,360
you know I oft I'm thinks that think

2061
01:29:05,830 --> 01:29:03,349
it's the only thing that can really

2062
01:29:08,560 --> 01:29:05,840
bring us all together is to just gonna

2063
01:29:10,810 --> 01:29:08,570
have an extraterrestrial spaceship come

2064
01:29:13,120 --> 01:29:10,820
in land on the front yard of the United

2065
01:29:15,129 --> 01:29:13,130
Nations and that would definitely bring

2066
01:29:16,720 --> 01:29:15,139
us all together all it would do is bring

2067
01:29:18,970 --> 01:29:16,730
us all together to try to figure out how

2068
01:29:21,160 --> 01:29:18,980
to militarily confront it you know at

2069
01:29:24,520 --> 01:29:21,170
the present time we have to accelerate

2070
01:29:26,319 --> 01:29:24,530
our elevation of our consciousness and

2071
01:29:27,939 --> 01:29:26,329
we have this challenge right in front of

2072
01:29:30,069 --> 01:29:27,949
us right now with having

2073
01:29:32,620 --> 01:29:30,079
shift over to alternative sources of

2074
01:29:34,779 --> 01:29:32,630
energy you know the sword and the wind

2075
01:29:36,669 --> 01:29:34,789
power they're all naturally available to

2076
01:29:38,890 --> 01:29:36,679
us we have to be able to do it in such a

2077
01:29:41,350 --> 01:29:38,900
way that the batteries that we developed

2078
01:29:43,299 --> 01:29:41,360
to store the solar power don't generate

2079
01:29:45,819 --> 01:29:43,309
as much trouble and as much pollution as

2080
01:29:48,430 --> 01:29:45,829
if we kept on using the cold and the

2081
01:29:50,319 --> 01:29:48,440
gasoline and everything we we have to be

2082
01:29:52,479 --> 01:29:50,329
able to do this together and that we

2083
01:29:53,199 --> 01:29:52,489
have to be motivated by caring and

2084
01:29:55,870 --> 01:29:53,209
affection

2085
01:29:57,819 --> 01:29:55,880
the fact of the matter is now the people

2086
01:29:59,589 --> 01:29:57,829
who own the stock in the major oil

2087
01:30:02,259 --> 01:29:59,599
corporations and the people who work for

2088
01:30:04,689 --> 01:30:02,269
them you know they they know that the

2089
01:30:06,339 --> 01:30:04,699
global climate change is occurring and

2090
01:30:08,229 --> 01:30:06,349
they spend all their time trying to

2091
01:30:10,540 --> 01:30:08,239
rationalize that oh is another natural

2092
01:30:13,180 --> 01:30:10,550
ice age of their solar flares coming off

2093
01:30:14,799 --> 01:30:13,190
the Sun I mean and it is flying directly

2094
01:30:17,890 --> 01:30:14,809
in the face of overwhelming scientific

2095
01:30:19,540 --> 01:30:17,900
evidence the reality is they realize

2096
01:30:21,520 --> 01:30:19,550
that the people that are suffering the

2097
01:30:23,500 --> 01:30:21,530
most immediate consequences of global

2098
01:30:25,509 --> 01:30:23,510
climate change are all black people and

2099
01:30:27,370 --> 01:30:25,519
brown people you know for the most part

2100
01:30:31,060 --> 01:30:27,380
you know and they're they're their

2101
01:30:33,459 --> 01:30:31,070
desert homes out in Africa are being

2102
01:30:35,859 --> 01:30:33,469
destroyed by you know 130 degree

2103
01:30:38,350 --> 01:30:35,869
temperatures now you know the seas are

2104
01:30:39,759 --> 01:30:38,360
rising everywhere around the world you

2105
01:30:42,279 --> 01:30:39,769
know we've got to understand we've got

2106
01:30:45,879 --> 01:30:42,289
four hundred and three private nuclear

2107
01:30:48,520 --> 01:30:45,889
reactors all within 150 of them are all

2108
01:30:51,100 --> 01:30:48,530
within a mile of the seacoast around the

2109
01:30:52,540 --> 01:30:51,110
world and you know with the people who

2110
01:30:55,359 --> 01:30:52,550
understand the scientific information

2111
01:30:58,299 --> 01:30:55,369
that the reality is is that the

2112
01:31:00,640 --> 01:30:58,309
Antarctic ice field is melting right now

2113
01:31:02,439 --> 01:31:00,650
in a dramatically more rapid rate than

2114
01:31:05,229 --> 01:31:02,449
we'd ever expected it was going to and

2115
01:31:07,600 --> 01:31:05,239
if in fact not only the glaciers melt

2116
01:31:10,060 --> 01:31:07,610
but to feel the fields the ice fields

2117
01:31:14,500 --> 01:31:10,070
melts in Antarctica as they're doing

2118
01:31:18,699 --> 01:31:14,510
right now we are looking at a 240 foot

2119
01:31:21,250 --> 01:31:18,709
rise in the mean global sea level you

2120
01:31:22,810 --> 01:31:21,260
know in the next 20 years and people

2121
01:31:24,850 --> 01:31:22,820
don't even begin to fathom what that

2122
01:31:26,770 --> 01:31:24,860
means you know the kind of destruction

2123
01:31:30,069 --> 01:31:26,780
that that's going to wreak on the major

2124
01:31:32,500 --> 01:31:30,079
cities of New York City in Miami and New

2125
01:31:34,569 --> 01:31:32,510
Orleans in Los Angeles in San Francisco

2126
01:31:37,120 --> 01:31:34,579
you know in other great cities around

2127
01:31:38,949 --> 01:31:37,130
the world you know in the military

2128
01:31:41,020 --> 01:31:38,959
defenses establishment notes what's

2129
01:31:41,799 --> 01:31:41,030
going on they've got all these plans

2130
01:31:44,020 --> 01:31:41,809
going out

2131
01:31:46,390 --> 01:31:44,030
how to try to cope with massive

2132
01:31:48,640 --> 01:31:46,400
migration of literally billions of

2133
01:31:51,370 --> 01:31:48,650
people you know but by the year 2030

2134
01:31:53,770 --> 01:31:51,380
they're anticipating the 63% of our

2135
01:31:55,689 --> 01:31:53,780
entire human population will live within

2136
01:31:58,000 --> 01:31:55,699
10 miles of the Seacoast around the

2137
01:32:00,189 --> 01:31:58,010
world and these are the exact areas that

2138
01:32:02,589 --> 01:32:00,199
are going to be inundated you know so we

2139
01:32:03,910 --> 01:32:02,599
have to we have to come together you

2140
01:32:05,200 --> 01:32:03,920
know there's a great fear that's

2141
01:32:07,390 --> 01:32:05,210
sweeping the world about what the

2142
01:32:09,549 --> 01:32:07,400
potential consequences are and the fear

2143
01:32:11,560 --> 01:32:09,559
is so deep and profound that people are

2144
01:32:12,970 --> 01:32:11,570
in total states of denial that they're

2145
01:32:14,919 --> 01:32:12,980
actually trying to pretend it isn't true

2146
01:32:16,779 --> 01:32:14,929
because they can't come to grips with

2147
01:32:19,569 --> 01:32:16,789
the fact that we've all participated in

2148
01:32:22,390 --> 01:32:19,579
this we've all driven you know gasoline

2149
01:32:24,640 --> 01:32:22,400
cars we've all got gasoline in you know

2150
01:32:26,500 --> 01:32:24,650
heating our homes you know we all fly on

2151
01:32:28,540 --> 01:32:26,510
airplanes what we've got to do is we've

2152
01:32:30,010 --> 01:32:28,550
got to come to grips with this but we

2153
01:32:33,040 --> 01:32:30,020
have to come to grips with it out of

2154
01:32:34,689 --> 01:32:33,050
affection we have to care about the

2155
01:32:36,040 --> 01:32:34,699
black people and the brown people and

2156
01:32:38,049 --> 01:32:36,050
the people in other parts of the world

2157
01:32:41,049 --> 01:32:38,059
they're going to have these consequences

2158
01:32:42,220 --> 01:32:41,059
imposed upon them first you know we

2159
01:32:44,080 --> 01:32:42,230
aren't going to be able to shelter

2160
01:32:46,330 --> 01:32:44,090
ourselves in gated communities here in

2161
01:32:48,549 --> 01:32:46,340
the heart of North America you know and

2162
01:32:50,560 --> 01:32:48,559
somehow survive this this is a threat to

2163
01:32:53,049 --> 01:32:50,570
our species but it's a self-imposed

2164
01:32:55,029 --> 01:32:53,059
threat to a great extent it to the

2165
01:32:57,040 --> 01:32:55,039
extent to which there's other factors

2166
01:32:59,589 --> 01:32:57,050
going on natural phenomenon going on in

2167
01:33:01,149 --> 01:32:59,599
the planet we're capable of adjusting to

2168
01:33:03,370 --> 01:33:01,159
that we can figure out what to do about

2169
01:33:05,410 --> 01:33:03,380
that you know with you know

2170
01:33:07,750 --> 01:33:05,420
geoengineering and dealing with some of

2171
01:33:09,490 --> 01:33:07,760
those other things but we can't use it

2172
01:33:12,160 --> 01:33:09,500
as an excuse for pretending that we're

2173
01:33:14,200 --> 01:33:12,170
not causing the proximate portion of

2174
01:33:16,660 --> 01:33:14,210
this this global climate change so we're

2175
01:33:19,779 --> 01:33:16,670
faced with an extraordinary state of

2176
01:33:21,939 --> 01:33:19,789
emergency here on our planet right at

2177
01:33:23,799 --> 01:33:21,949
the exact time that we're reaching out

2178
01:33:25,629 --> 01:33:23,809
to the Stars you know we're getting set

2179
01:33:28,839 --> 01:33:25,639
that we're getting set to put up the the

2180
01:33:31,870 --> 01:33:28,849
next generation of space telescopes

2181
01:33:34,000 --> 01:33:31,880
you know just next year this is going to

2182
01:33:36,609 --> 01:33:34,010
be able to filter out the glare of the

2183
01:33:38,919 --> 01:33:36,619
stars so that we can actually physically

2184
01:33:40,959 --> 01:33:38,929
see the planets and as you know right

2185
01:33:42,760 --> 01:33:40,969
now all we know that the planets are

2186
01:33:44,500 --> 01:33:42,770
going around these other Suns simply

2187
01:33:47,229 --> 01:33:44,510
because it's causing a dimming of light

2188
01:33:49,510 --> 01:33:47,239
you know when we focus the Hubble on it

2189
01:33:50,950 --> 01:33:49,520
and just focus on one star we can see it

2190
01:33:53,439 --> 01:33:50,960
dimming and we know it's a planet

2191
01:33:55,660 --> 01:33:53,449
bouncing between us in this but you know

2192
01:33:57,490 --> 01:33:55,670
who this next generation of

2193
01:34:00,100 --> 01:33:57,500
boring telescopes we're going to be able

2194
01:34:02,590 --> 01:34:00,110
actually see the star the planets come

2195
01:34:04,030 --> 01:34:02,600
around these stars nearby and we're

2196
01:34:08,189 --> 01:34:04,040
going to be able to focus on them it

2197
01:34:12,189 --> 01:34:08,199
actually take isotopic you know readings

2198
01:34:14,590 --> 01:34:12,199
or only Claudius telescope readings of

2199
01:34:17,590 --> 01:34:14,600
the atmosphere on those planets and be

2200
01:34:19,390 --> 01:34:17,600
able to discern indicia of life you know

2201
01:34:21,610 --> 01:34:19,400
on these other planets we're right on

2202
01:34:23,439 --> 01:34:21,620
the very brink of this happening in the

2203
01:34:26,410 --> 01:34:23,449
in the the worldwide Catholic Church

2204
01:34:28,990 --> 01:34:26,420
recognizes that it is facing a situation

2205
01:34:31,140 --> 01:34:29,000
that is dramatically more disruptive

2206
01:34:33,459 --> 01:34:31,150
than simply Copernicus and Galileo

2207
01:34:35,470 --> 01:34:33,469
coming to realize that we're not in a

2208
01:34:37,570 --> 01:34:35,480
physical founder of the universe right

2209
01:34:39,780 --> 01:34:37,580
no David they had the struggle through

2210
01:34:42,669 --> 01:34:39,790
that one but this is going to be this

2211
01:34:45,669 --> 01:34:42,679
dissing throning the human species from

2212
01:34:47,439 --> 01:34:45,679
the the pyramid is the apex of the

2213
01:34:49,630 --> 01:34:47,449
pyramid of all sentient life in the

2214
01:34:51,669 --> 01:34:49,640
universe we have an entire set of of

2215
01:34:53,800 --> 01:34:51,679
mythologies that have we've crafted for

2216
01:34:56,229 --> 01:34:53,810
ourselves somehow the physical universe

2217
01:34:58,000 --> 01:34:56,239
has been created as the stage on which

2218
01:35:01,180 --> 01:34:58,010
our single species in the entire

2219
01:35:03,610 --> 01:35:01,190
universe is playing out the drama of the

2220
01:35:05,680 --> 01:35:03,620
unfolding of human consciousness up from

2221
01:35:09,160 --> 01:35:05,690
the primordial slime of our particular

2222
01:35:11,500 --> 01:35:09,170
planet up into a being that can perceive

2223
01:35:13,720 --> 01:35:11,510
ourselves as as travelers to the Stars

2224
01:35:15,700 --> 01:35:13,730
you know and that we think that's the

2225
01:35:17,740 --> 01:35:15,710
major soul drama going on in the

2226
01:35:20,229 --> 01:35:17,750
universe we've got to figure out an

2227
01:35:22,419 --> 01:35:20,239
other vision of what our role is in the

2228
01:35:25,330 --> 01:35:22,429
universe what our relationship is to the

2229
01:35:27,820 --> 01:35:25,340
other beings in the universe what what

2230
01:35:30,070 --> 01:35:27,830
role space travel has how are we going

2231
01:35:32,500 --> 01:35:30,080
to be able to apply the technology that

2232
01:35:34,900 --> 01:35:32,510
we've developed to save our planet from

2233
01:35:36,910 --> 01:35:34,910
the ravages of our own excesses these

2234
01:35:40,150 --> 01:35:36,920
are things that has to be done not out

2235
01:35:41,830 --> 01:35:40,160
of fear and not out of a threat but out

2236
01:35:43,930 --> 01:35:41,840
of the love and affection for our other

2237
01:35:45,850 --> 01:35:43,940
people and for other living things on

2238
01:35:47,950 --> 01:35:45,860
the planet the other living species on

2239
01:35:49,840 --> 01:35:47,960
the planet because our whole planet as a

2240
01:35:53,290 --> 01:35:49,850
living as a living organism

2241
01:35:55,959 --> 01:35:53,300
you know we are in fact generated by our

2242
01:35:58,150 --> 01:35:55,969
own planet you know we've been generated

2243
01:36:01,660 --> 01:35:58,160
up out of the materials of this earth

2244
01:36:04,270 --> 01:36:01,670
you know as living extensions of this

2245
01:36:06,880 --> 01:36:04,280
planet and we have somehow alienated

2246
01:36:09,190 --> 01:36:06,890
ourselves from even technology our own

2247
01:36:12,340 --> 01:36:09,200
organic relationship to our own

2248
01:36:14,470 --> 01:36:12,350
planet you know this is and we've got to

2249
01:36:16,480 --> 01:36:14,480
be able to overcome this we've got to be

2250
01:36:19,780 --> 01:36:16,490
able to embrace that relationship and

2251
01:36:22,870 --> 01:36:19,790
extend our section that we that we you

2252
01:36:25,210 --> 01:36:22,880
know generate for our own loved ones our

2253
01:36:27,670 --> 01:36:25,220
own babies we have to generate that same

2254
01:36:29,470 --> 01:36:27,680
type of affection for our planet and for

2255
01:36:32,020 --> 01:36:29,480
the other the other living beings on our

2256
01:36:34,780 --> 01:36:32,030
planet the deer and the bears and the

2257
01:36:36,070 --> 01:36:34,790
birds we have to realize like the Native

2258
01:36:37,540 --> 01:36:36,080
American people do here on this

2259
01:36:40,780 --> 01:36:37,550
reservation where I'm standing right now

2260
01:36:43,180 --> 01:36:40,790
that these these other beings are their

2261
01:36:46,150 --> 01:36:43,190
relatives they experience these other

2262
01:36:49,240 --> 01:36:46,160
beings as their biological relatives and

2263
01:36:50,680 --> 01:36:49,250
that they relate to them in that way and

2264
01:36:52,210 --> 01:36:50,690
they're they have you know I've said as

2265
01:36:55,120 --> 01:36:52,220
I said I've said in the sweats with the

2266
01:36:57,460 --> 01:36:55,130
medicine man and they'd lead the the the

2267
01:36:59,470 --> 01:36:57,470
watchee Chee civilization they're the

2268
01:37:01,750 --> 01:36:59,480
white people civilization is going to

2269
01:37:03,550 --> 01:37:01,760
collapse all around them and so what I

2270
01:37:05,920 --> 01:37:03,560
do is I'm working with them to try to

2271
01:37:08,230 --> 01:37:05,930
figure out how to most effectively

2272
01:37:11,410 --> 01:37:08,240
establish their own sovereign authority

2273
01:37:13,510 --> 01:37:11,420
over their own Aboriginal lands you know

2274
01:37:15,310 --> 01:37:13,520
the Great Sioux Nation you know takes up

2275
01:37:18,280 --> 01:37:15,320
the entire territory of the of the

2276
01:37:20,560 --> 01:37:18,290
Dakotas and over into Montana in Wyoming

2277
01:37:22,480 --> 01:37:20,570
and part of Nebraska you know that this

2278
01:37:24,460 --> 01:37:22,490
is this is a huge territory that the

2279
01:37:27,550 --> 01:37:24,470
people of the seven council fires you

2280
01:37:31,390 --> 01:37:27,560
know have lived in for 10,000 years you

2281
01:37:33,970 --> 01:37:31,400
know and so that they they need to know

2282
01:37:35,470 --> 01:37:33,980
how to survive here but that I'm trying

2283
01:37:37,660 --> 01:37:35,480
to work with the people here to help

2284
01:37:39,430 --> 01:37:37,670
them share their vision and their

2285
01:37:41,500 --> 01:37:39,440
relationship with the world to other

2286
01:37:43,720 --> 01:37:41,510
people you know and that's that's why it

2287
01:37:46,450 --> 01:37:43,730
takes ironized why I defended him in

2288
01:37:48,430 --> 01:37:46,460
opposing the Dakota access pipeline why

2289
01:37:51,310 --> 01:37:48,440
I'm here organizing against the Keystone

2290
01:37:54,370 --> 01:37:51,320
XL tar sands pipeline it's like chase

2291
01:37:56,260 --> 01:37:54,380
iron eyes young daughter Takata you know

2292
01:37:58,210 --> 01:37:56,270
is going out doing speeches now with

2293
01:38:00,670 --> 01:37:58,220
Greta Thornburg that's why we brought

2294
01:38:01,930 --> 01:38:00,680
drums Thornburg here to Pine Ridge you

2295
01:38:04,150 --> 01:38:01,940
know a couple months ago and then she

2296
01:38:05,530 --> 01:38:04,160
went up to Standing Rock she's working

2297
01:38:07,750 --> 01:38:05,540
with us we're trying to mobilize young

2298
01:38:09,550 --> 01:38:07,760
people through the sunrise movement to

2299
01:38:12,400 --> 01:38:09,560
reach out to the rest of the people of

2300
01:38:14,830 --> 01:38:12,410
the world because as Greta says as I so

2301
01:38:18,190 --> 01:38:14,840
long as you are still thinking only in

2302
01:38:21,220 --> 01:38:18,200
terms of what it is that is immediately

2303
01:38:22,990 --> 01:38:21,230
politically feasible rather than what is

2304
01:38:25,540 --> 01:38:23,000
essential to be done to

2305
01:38:28,480 --> 01:38:25,550
save our human family their generation

2306
01:38:30,580 --> 01:38:28,490
has no hope they have no hope we can't

2307
01:38:32,950 --> 01:38:30,590
allow our children to despair about

2308
01:38:34,510 --> 01:38:32,960
their future and we have to fill them

2309
01:38:36,610 --> 01:38:34,520
with hope we have to do that from a

2310
01:38:38,650 --> 01:38:36,620
spiritual perspective that is tacky

2311
01:38:40,660 --> 01:38:38,660
spiritual perspective of fundamentalists

2312
01:38:42,790 --> 01:38:40,670
or you know Bible pounders or any of

2313
01:38:46,200 --> 01:38:42,800
that stuff or Catholics or or even a

2314
01:38:49,390 --> 01:38:46,210
Jews you know we've got to find a human

2315
01:38:52,030 --> 01:38:49,400
collective response on our planet to the

2316
01:38:54,880 --> 01:38:52,040
to the subtle energy fields that are

2317
01:38:57,400 --> 01:38:54,890
generic to our planet and with which

2318
01:38:58,990 --> 01:38:57,410
we're bathed in the universe and then we

2319
01:39:02,320 --> 01:38:59,000
have to be able to experience those

2320
01:39:04,780 --> 01:39:02,330
vibrational frequencies take them in had

2321
01:39:07,210 --> 01:39:04,790
to develop the the energy fields around

2322
01:39:09,310 --> 01:39:07,220
our body by getting each of the chakras

2323
01:39:11,680 --> 01:39:09,320
and our human body a healthy and

2324
01:39:13,930 --> 01:39:11,690
vibrating at its appropriate rate so

2325
01:39:16,150 --> 01:39:13,940
that the envelope of energy that it

2326
01:39:19,210 --> 01:39:16,160
generates around our body can have

2327
01:39:21,820 --> 01:39:19,220
sympathetic resonance with the bonding

2328
01:39:24,010 --> 01:39:21,830
phenomenon the bonds every single you

2329
01:39:26,320 --> 01:39:24,020
know irreducible integer of matter in

2330
01:39:28,330 --> 01:39:26,330
the entire physical universe into direct

2331
01:39:31,150 --> 01:39:28,340
immediate harmonic relationship with

2332
01:39:34,840 --> 01:39:31,160
every other one this is the answer this

2333
01:39:38,080 --> 01:39:34,850
is the the genuine spiritual experience

2334
01:39:40,690 --> 01:39:38,090
the the holotropic experience that one

2335
01:39:43,420 --> 01:39:40,700
can have that we've we've we know the

2336
01:39:44,980 --> 01:39:43,430
secret ways of meditation health like

2337
01:39:46,660 --> 01:39:44,990
you talked about on your on your show

2338
01:39:48,610 --> 01:39:46,670
you know how you have your body healthy

2339
01:39:51,070 --> 01:39:48,620
how you clean your colon how you do

2340
01:39:53,710 --> 01:39:51,080
meditation how you you you take care of

2341
01:39:55,720 --> 01:39:53,720
yourself and you you have a practice and

2342
01:39:57,400 --> 01:39:55,730
it doesn't require you to run off to

2343
01:39:59,680 --> 01:39:57,410
your local Catholic Church or a

2344
01:40:01,720 --> 01:39:59,690
Protestant church or your temple you

2345
01:40:04,030 --> 01:40:01,730
know you need to find you need to find

2346
01:40:07,660 --> 01:40:04,040
your way there to understand that there

2347
01:40:10,000 --> 01:40:07,670
is a great secret that lies just on the

2348
01:40:12,940 --> 01:40:10,010
other side of a luminous experience for

2349
01:40:15,520 --> 01:40:12,950
all of us that can reveal to you the the

2350
01:40:17,920 --> 01:40:15,530
genuine reality of the integrated

2351
01:40:20,620 --> 01:40:17,930
wholeness of the entire universe in our

2352
01:40:22,810 --> 01:40:20,630
direct immediate biological relationship

2353
01:40:24,880 --> 01:40:22,820
with every other sentient being in the

2354
01:40:26,890 --> 01:40:24,890
universe and that's what's going to

2355
01:40:28,870 --> 01:40:26,900
reach out and establish a genuinely new

2356
01:40:31,210 --> 01:40:28,880
paradigm it's not going to be just an

2357
01:40:33,640 --> 01:40:31,220
updated sixth paradigm of radical monism

2358
01:40:35,680 --> 01:40:33,650
you know Platonists was doing that the

2359
01:40:37,120 --> 01:40:35,690
neoplatonist have talked about that you

2360
01:40:39,430 --> 01:40:37,130
know sri aurobindo talks about

2361
01:40:41,440 --> 01:40:39,440
the Hindus talked about that that's the

2362
01:40:43,000 --> 01:40:41,450
sixth paradigm worldview that the whole

2363
01:40:45,400 --> 01:40:43,010
baby boomer generation has gotten

2364
01:40:48,040 --> 01:40:45,410
terribly excited about discovering but

2365
01:40:50,260 --> 01:40:48,050
it's hardly to be all and end all you

2366
01:40:51,700 --> 01:40:50,270
know nor is the seventh paradigm see a

2367
01:40:53,590 --> 01:40:51,710
stick worldview the emanation is

2368
01:40:56,440 --> 01:40:53,600
worldview you know there's something

2369
01:40:59,350 --> 01:40:56,450
more profound and it lies out toward the

2370
01:41:01,750 --> 01:40:59,360
the extreme end of the spectrum of our

2371
01:41:04,380 --> 01:41:01,760
human experiences right now but we've

2372
01:41:07,270 --> 01:41:04,390
we've been able to grasp its reality

2373
01:41:09,520 --> 01:41:07,280
conceptually now we see what the concept

2374
01:41:11,920 --> 01:41:09,530
is so that we know what the map of the

2375
01:41:13,720 --> 01:41:11,930
territory is and so we have to start to

2376
01:41:15,670 --> 01:41:13,730
devote ourselves through through the

2377
01:41:18,190 --> 01:41:15,680
proper diet our proper meditative

2378
01:41:20,320 --> 01:41:18,200
techniques our our proper abstinence you

2379
01:41:22,330 --> 01:41:20,330
know I've not you know pounding food

2380
01:41:24,310 --> 01:41:22,340
into your body to you know stimulate

2381
01:41:26,860 --> 01:41:24,320
your your five senses to the point where

2382
01:41:28,750 --> 01:41:26,870
you kind of drag out all the time you

2383
01:41:31,060 --> 01:41:28,760
know the satiating yourself of alcohol

2384
01:41:33,910 --> 01:41:31,070
and inebriate you know I'm certainly no

2385
01:41:35,770 --> 01:41:33,920
prude I mean nobody know what's going to

2386
01:41:37,780 --> 01:41:35,780
accuse me of that you know but the

2387
01:41:41,650 --> 01:41:37,790
reality is that there is a way of

2388
01:41:44,830 --> 01:41:41,660
attending to your body as a as a means

2389
01:41:47,410 --> 01:41:44,840
of getting access to this experience of

2390
01:41:49,530 --> 01:41:47,420
all of your potential human faculties

2391
01:41:53,860 --> 01:41:49,540
and we can accelerate this process

2392
01:41:56,110 --> 01:41:53,870
within one lifetime that we can each do

2393
01:41:57,400 --> 01:41:56,120
this if we turn our attention to this it

2394
01:41:59,470 --> 01:41:57,410
doesn't mean that you have to forego

2395
01:42:01,480 --> 01:41:59,480
regular life it doesn't mean that you

2396
01:42:02,560 --> 01:42:01,490
can't have a regular profession doesn't

2397
01:42:04,600 --> 01:42:02,570
mean that you can't have a regular

2398
01:42:07,510 --> 01:42:04,610
family what it means is that you have to

2399
01:42:10,420 --> 01:42:07,520
you have to make this process sort of

2400
01:42:12,850 --> 01:42:10,430
central to your life because we're faced

2401
01:42:15,100 --> 01:42:12,860
with a set of emergency situations not

2402
01:42:16,870 --> 01:42:15,110
just the global climate change not just

2403
01:42:18,970 --> 01:42:16,880
a sort of potential thermonuclear war

2404
01:42:21,160 --> 01:42:18,980
which still hovers over us until we get

2405
01:42:22,960 --> 01:42:21,170
rid of these nuclear weapons systems in

2406
01:42:25,420 --> 01:42:22,970
that only is a potential threat of you

2407
01:42:28,060 --> 01:42:25,430
know a hundred and fifty Fukasaku Kshama

2408
01:42:29,670 --> 01:42:28,070
Seamas you know of the rising sea level

2409
01:42:31,720 --> 01:42:29,680
in engaging these nuclear plants

2410
01:42:34,120 --> 01:42:31,730
contaminating our ocean and killing all

2411
01:42:36,250 --> 01:42:34,130
the life in the oceans you know but but

2412
01:42:38,530 --> 01:42:36,260
but the fact that matter is we're now on

2413
01:42:42,010 --> 01:42:38,540
the very brink of being confronted with

2414
01:42:44,350 --> 01:42:42,020
a potential collapse of the fundamentals

2415
01:42:46,660 --> 01:42:44,360
of all of our existent human world views

2416
01:42:50,400 --> 01:42:46,670
that are all rooted in the primacy of

2417
01:42:52,650 --> 01:42:50,410
our human species as the pinnacle

2418
01:42:55,380 --> 01:42:52,660
all biological life in the universe we

2419
01:42:58,560 --> 01:42:55,390
have got to get busy working at talking

2420
01:43:01,440 --> 01:42:58,570
about working together on how to develop

2421
01:43:04,680 --> 01:43:01,450
a a worldview that takes into account

2422
01:43:07,170 --> 01:43:04,690
this genuine reality that has been

2423
01:43:10,020 --> 01:43:07,180
historically perceived as a spiritual

2424
01:43:12,690 --> 01:43:10,030
dimension but we have to develop an

2425
01:43:16,590 --> 01:43:12,700
entirely yes I'll say an entirely new

2426
01:43:18,660 --> 01:43:16,600
religion of a holistic religion that

2427
01:43:21,510 --> 01:43:18,670
places our human family in proper

2428
01:43:23,880 --> 01:43:21,520
context in proper context on our planet

2429
01:43:25,470 --> 01:43:23,890
with all the living things in a proper

2430
01:43:28,170 --> 01:43:25,480
context in relationship to other

2431
01:43:30,450 --> 01:43:28,180
sentient species in our galaxy to begin

2432
01:43:32,910 --> 01:43:30,460
with in the universe yeah we have

2433
01:43:35,730 --> 01:43:32,920
billions and billions of years of future

2434
01:43:37,830 --> 01:43:35,740
heaven to us if we do not destroy our

2435
01:43:41,550 --> 01:43:37,840
own planet indiscriminate our own

2436
01:43:46,050 --> 01:43:41,560
species remember Jimmy all species are

2437
01:43:48,630 --> 01:43:46,060
not necessarily destined to survive let

2438
01:43:49,560 --> 01:43:48,640
me jump in and say and we've only got a

2439
01:43:52,800 --> 01:43:49,570
few minutes left

2440
01:43:54,750 --> 01:43:52,810
are there any world leaders right now

2441
01:43:57,890 --> 01:43:54,760
are there any heads of state are there

2442
01:44:01,920 --> 01:43:57,900
any religious real religious leaders

2443
01:44:07,020 --> 01:44:01,930
that have stepped up and suggested any

2444
01:44:09,210 --> 01:44:07,030
of this or are we just miles away well

2445
01:44:12,180 --> 01:44:09,220
it's it I think I think what it is is we

2446
01:44:15,600 --> 01:44:12,190
have to be very careful about having to

2447
01:44:18,150 --> 01:44:15,610
rely upon you know one or two or three

2448
01:44:20,850 --> 01:44:18,160
major religious leaders to sort of lead

2449
01:44:23,550 --> 01:44:20,860
us all on up the the the new paradigm

2450
01:44:26,130 --> 01:44:23,560
really embraces the understanding that

2451
01:44:29,100 --> 01:44:26,140
this has to come from the grassroots up

2452
01:44:31,380 --> 01:44:29,110
this has to come from individual people

2453
01:44:33,900 --> 01:44:31,390
coming to realization in their life you

2454
01:44:37,560 --> 01:44:33,910
know but you know that we had that we

2455
01:44:39,330 --> 01:44:37,570
had the phenomenon of LSD you know that

2456
01:44:41,250 --> 01:44:39,340
I I never would have done it in my whole

2457
01:44:43,350 --> 01:44:41,260
life I was in law school and doing all

2458
01:44:46,530 --> 01:44:43,360
this you know linear rational stuff I

2459
01:44:49,410 --> 01:44:46,540
had one of my friends actually ended up

2460
01:44:51,660 --> 01:44:49,420
putting LSD in a couple of herbal teas I

2461
01:44:54,270 --> 01:44:51,670
had one time you know and I was just

2462
01:44:55,620 --> 01:44:54,280
kind of amazed at what had happened but

2463
01:44:57,780 --> 01:44:55,630
I didn't even know it I wasn't even

2464
01:44:59,820 --> 01:44:57,790
asked but you know all of a sudden it

2465
01:45:04,140 --> 01:44:59,830
just dawned on me that there was this

2466
01:45:06,330 --> 01:45:04,150
other experiential dimension in life

2467
01:45:09,810 --> 01:45:06,340
and so once I encountered it that single

2468
01:45:12,030 --> 01:45:09,820
time I realized what it is they were

2469
01:45:14,100 --> 01:45:12,040
talking about that the spiritual leaders

2470
01:45:16,380 --> 01:45:14,110
were talking about you know there there

2471
01:45:18,180 --> 01:45:16,390
are people who know these secrets but

2472
01:45:19,950 --> 01:45:18,190
they aren't necessarily you know on the

2473
01:45:21,709 --> 01:45:19,960
evening news you know and they're not

2474
01:45:24,510 --> 01:45:21,719
necessarily in the heads of the rape

2475
01:45:26,610 --> 01:45:24,520
religious institutions there are people

2476
01:45:28,350 --> 01:45:26,620
who live in monasteries of various

2477
01:45:30,540 --> 01:45:28,360
source they're in spiritual communities

2478
01:45:35,330 --> 01:45:30,550
and different different azzurro after in

2479
01:45:38,070 --> 01:45:35,340
communities the Sikhs in the the Janes

2480
01:45:40,860 --> 01:45:38,080
and the and the Buddhists and the Hindus

2481
01:45:43,200 --> 01:45:40,870
the Zoroastrians all kinds of the

2482
01:45:46,250 --> 01:45:43,210
religious traditions have individuals

2483
01:45:49,350 --> 01:45:46,260
who are very knowledgeable very

2484
01:45:50,820 --> 01:45:49,360
knowledgeable about this science of the

2485
01:45:53,160 --> 01:45:50,830
chakras in the body and the energy

2486
01:45:54,720 --> 01:45:53,170
fields in our body in the relationship

2487
01:45:57,450 --> 01:45:54,730
with these energy fields to other living

2488
01:45:59,820 --> 01:45:57,460
things in the world the so there there

2489
01:46:01,709 --> 01:45:59,830
are and I'm saying that these writings

2490
01:46:05,399 --> 01:46:01,719
that these people have done historically

2491
01:46:07,649 --> 01:46:05,409
only for other high adepts in in young

2492
01:46:10,020 --> 01:46:07,659
monks that are learning this stuff are

2493
01:46:12,090 --> 01:46:10,030
now available to us that people could

2494
01:46:14,240 --> 01:46:12,100
people can find these books can start to

2495
01:46:16,860 --> 01:46:14,250
read truth I would just recommend that

2496
01:46:19,620 --> 01:46:16,870
everybody who's listening and it sounds

2497
01:46:23,479 --> 01:46:19,630
a little didactic here but I think you

2498
01:46:26,490 --> 01:46:23,489
should go get a copy of a stanislav grof

2499
01:46:29,130 --> 01:46:26,500
book stanislav grof is guy who developed

2500
01:46:30,750 --> 01:46:29,140
holotropic breathing which is a way of

2501
01:46:32,490 --> 01:46:30,760
generating kind of these the

2502
01:46:34,740 --> 01:46:32,500
transcendent states of consciousness

2503
01:46:37,620 --> 01:46:34,750
where you can experience this without

2504
01:46:39,630 --> 01:46:37,630
LSD without any other kind of external

2505
01:46:42,390 --> 01:46:39,640
stimulant it's a whole breathing

2506
01:46:46,280 --> 01:46:42,400
technique it's like a Hindu breathing in

2507
01:46:48,620 --> 01:46:46,290
the book is called the cosmic game

2508
01:46:51,660 --> 01:46:48,630
exploring the frontiers of human

2509
01:46:54,600 --> 01:46:51,670
consciousness instead it's just it's an

2510
01:46:56,760 --> 01:46:54,610
excellent read if one wants to sort of

2511
01:46:59,160 --> 01:46:56,770
approach it from kind of a scientific

2512
01:47:00,720 --> 01:46:59,170
materialists point of view because he's

2513
01:47:03,120 --> 01:47:00,730
a regular licensed professional

2514
01:47:04,649 --> 01:47:03,130
psychologist and psychiatrist and he

2515
01:47:07,350 --> 01:47:04,659
writes about the different human states

2516
01:47:10,260 --> 01:47:07,360
of consciousness and it's it's a good

2517
01:47:11,610 --> 01:47:10,270
primer to begin just saying holy

2518
01:47:14,010 --> 01:47:11,620
mackerel I didn't know any of this stuff

2519
01:47:17,070 --> 01:47:14,020
this is really quite quite phenomenal

2520
01:47:18,209 --> 01:47:17,080
these historical secrets have been

2521
01:47:21,979 --> 01:47:18,219
hidden deep into the

2522
01:47:25,410 --> 01:47:21,989
traditions of these esoteric communities

2523
01:47:27,330 --> 01:47:25,420
are now becoming available for us so I

2524
01:47:30,060 --> 01:47:27,340
think this is a pathway for us to

2525
01:47:33,569 --> 01:47:30,070
respond to the call that's been issued

2526
01:47:35,310 --> 01:47:33,579
to start to explore among ourselves the

2527
01:47:37,799 --> 01:47:35,320
laity the regular people of the world

2528
01:47:39,450 --> 01:47:37,809
with each other horizontally you know

2529
01:47:41,640 --> 01:47:39,460
with our friends and our people in our

2530
01:47:42,930 --> 01:47:41,650
community and as you said sitting around

2531
01:47:45,000 --> 01:47:42,940
with your friends and put your feet up

2532
01:47:46,890 --> 01:47:45,010
and have these conversations you know I

2533
01:47:50,160 --> 01:47:46,900
think we need to start to explore these

2534
01:47:54,180 --> 01:47:50,170
these profound philosophical and

2535
01:47:56,879 --> 01:47:54,190
theological questions about our place in

2536
01:47:59,399 --> 01:47:56,889
the universe and our place on this

2537
01:48:02,669 --> 01:47:59,409
planet that is a healthy integrated

2538
01:48:05,100 --> 01:48:02,679
place that can help save the future of

2539
01:48:07,529 --> 01:48:05,110
our planetary systems so that we can

2540
01:48:09,930 --> 01:48:07,539
continue to evolve on this planet as we

2541
01:48:11,669 --> 01:48:09,940
move out into the Stars I mean that

2542
01:48:13,560 --> 01:48:11,679
that's my opinion so and I'm not

2543
01:48:16,319 --> 01:48:13,570
suggesting Stanislav Grof is the great

2544
01:48:19,200 --> 01:48:16,329
person you're talking about but he he

2545
01:48:22,169 --> 01:48:19,210
cites other other well-known spiritual

2546
01:48:24,390 --> 01:48:22,179
beings but he's approaching it from a

2547
01:48:27,569 --> 01:48:24,400
psychological human level

2548
01:48:31,290 --> 01:48:27,579
it's stanislav grof a book it's called

2549
01:48:33,689 --> 01:48:31,300
the cosmic game explorations are the

2550
01:48:36,419 --> 01:48:33,699
frontiers of human consciousness I would

2551
01:48:40,859 --> 01:48:36,429
just recommend it to everybody well

2552
01:48:45,299 --> 01:48:40,869
without without you know a Merkel or a

2553
01:48:48,629 --> 01:48:45,309
Putin or Trump or worse Johnson without

2554
01:48:52,589 --> 01:48:48,639
somebody like that you know a head of

2555
01:48:55,049 --> 01:48:52,599
state to to step up somebody's got to be

2556
01:48:57,870 --> 01:48:55,059
first and you can be as grassroots as

2557
01:48:58,439 --> 01:48:57,880
you want that's what this show was all

2558
01:49:02,879 --> 01:48:58,449
about

2559
01:49:05,129 --> 01:49:02,889
Daniel you know but without without

2560
01:49:08,189 --> 01:49:05,139
somebody like that with a powerful voice

2561
01:49:10,700 --> 01:49:08,199
from above to push things over it and

2562
01:49:14,609 --> 01:49:10,710
we're not gonna get anywhere we need

2563
01:49:18,239 --> 01:49:14,619
somebody with courage to to speak about

2564
01:49:21,000 --> 01:49:18,249
this out in the open people will rise

2565
01:49:22,500 --> 01:49:21,010
people will rise to me you know you're

2566
01:49:24,239 --> 01:49:22,510
you're you have the great benefit of

2567
01:49:26,580 --> 01:49:24,249
having access to your audience of

2568
01:49:28,830 --> 01:49:26,590
finding different people you know

2569
01:49:30,180 --> 01:49:28,840
they're just a fairly low levels like I

2570
01:49:32,580 --> 01:49:30,190
am that have been exploring these

2571
01:49:34,520 --> 01:49:32,590
questions to bring them on the show

2572
01:49:37,200 --> 01:49:34,530
have them talk to your listeners and to

2573
01:49:39,089 --> 01:49:37,210
give them particular potential reading

2574
01:49:41,310 --> 01:49:39,099
assignments and spots that they can

2575
01:49:44,129 --> 01:49:41,320
reflect on you know this this kind of

2576
01:49:46,830 --> 01:49:44,139
stimulation of this kind of a arising

2577
01:49:49,200 --> 01:49:46,840
energy among the people ourselves is

2578
01:49:51,689 --> 01:49:49,210
exactly what I think the ETS are looking

2579
01:49:53,580 --> 01:49:51,699
for you know that the the people who

2580
01:49:56,010 --> 01:49:53,590
rise is addition to being the head of a

2581
01:49:58,500 --> 01:49:56,020
state you know the states the the nation

2582
01:50:01,459 --> 01:49:58,510
states are simply a function of the

2583
01:50:04,560 --> 01:50:01,469
Treaty of Westphalia you know of like 15

2584
01:50:06,330 --> 01:50:04,570
38 or whatever it was which was a set of

2585
01:50:08,370 --> 01:50:06,340
agreements among Royalists families to

2586
01:50:10,320 --> 01:50:08,380
divide the planet into little boxes and

2587
01:50:12,450 --> 01:50:10,330
then establish your authoritarian

2588
01:50:14,070 --> 01:50:12,460
dominion inside that and develop the

2589
01:50:16,560 --> 01:50:14,080
resources for yourself and your family

2590
01:50:18,689 --> 01:50:16,570
you know this is a you know a person who

2591
01:50:20,609 --> 01:50:18,699
aspires to be the head of a state isn't

2592
01:50:22,500 --> 01:50:20,619
that's a very kind of person that you

2593
01:50:25,859 --> 01:50:22,510
think every kind of consciousness you

2594
01:50:28,530 --> 01:50:25,869
know but there but there are a number of

2595
01:50:31,140 --> 01:50:28,540
people that you'll find that that are

2596
01:50:33,959 --> 01:50:31,150
that are even referenced in this

2597
01:50:36,000 --> 01:50:33,969
particular book by by stan grof that

2598
01:50:39,209 --> 01:50:36,010
he'll he'll show you some other people

2599
01:50:40,919 --> 01:50:39,219
that that that you can you can read some

2600
01:50:44,399 --> 01:50:40,929
of their stuff you've actually sat down

2601
01:50:48,030 --> 01:50:44,409
and done and done some reading I'm

2602
01:50:48,540 --> 01:50:48,040
trying to think of a few of them right

2603
01:50:55,859 --> 01:50:48,550
now

2604
01:51:00,000 --> 01:50:55,869
say uh okay well uh let's see here no

2605
01:51:05,220 --> 01:51:00,010
will allow su is a lot of writing about

2606
01:51:06,750 --> 01:51:05,230
this in writers yeah but some others a

2607
01:51:09,870 --> 01:51:06,760
little too esoteric some people they

2608
01:51:11,879 --> 01:51:09,880
don't rock it right away but but I think

2609
01:51:15,149 --> 01:51:11,889
that you could start to start doing some

2610
01:51:17,040 --> 01:51:15,159
reading and and people will rise up not

2611
01:51:18,479 --> 01:51:17,050
necessarily as heads of state not

2612
01:51:21,300 --> 01:51:18,489
necessarily as heads of major

2613
01:51:23,520 --> 01:51:21,310
institutional religious orders but but

2614
01:51:25,169 --> 01:51:23,530
up out of the grassroots of people and

2615
01:51:27,270 --> 01:51:25,179
they're given all the access to the

2616
01:51:29,339 --> 01:51:27,280
media now with podcasts and shows like

2617
01:51:31,290 --> 01:51:29,349
yours we have an ability to reach out

2618
01:51:32,879 --> 01:51:31,300
across the planet to all of our sisters

2619
01:51:34,530 --> 01:51:32,889
and brothers and lift up the

2620
01:51:36,990 --> 01:51:34,540
consciousness of everybody together

2621
01:51:40,379 --> 01:51:37,000
collectively and that's where the the

2622
01:51:43,080 --> 01:51:40,389
tide is going to arrive from from us all

2623
01:51:45,359 --> 01:51:43,090
of us I think thank you so much we're

2624
01:51:46,290 --> 01:51:45,369
gonna see you in just two short weeks

2625
01:51:49,290 --> 01:51:46,300
right here in lost

2626
01:51:50,819 --> 01:51:49,300
Angeles at the conscious bow and what

2627
01:51:54,689 --> 01:51:50,829
are you going to be speaking about this

2628
01:51:57,299 --> 01:51:54,699
trip I'm gonna be speaking about the new

2629
01:51:59,580 --> 01:51:57,309
paradigm and its relationship to the

2630
01:52:01,859 --> 01:51:59,590
green new deal so it's where our office

2631
01:52:04,919 --> 01:52:01,869
is drafting now the California state new

2632
01:52:06,899 --> 01:52:04,929
green new deal we have a 50 page outline

2633
01:52:09,120 --> 01:52:06,909
of the statute we have two hundred and

2634
01:52:11,399 --> 01:52:09,130
fifty pages of it drafted already we're

2635
01:52:14,430 --> 01:52:11,409
working on third probably 400 to 250

2636
01:52:16,410 --> 01:52:14,440
pages dealing with all 13 of the major

2637
01:52:18,419 --> 01:52:16,420
sectors it has to be have to be

2638
01:52:21,000 --> 01:52:18,429
addressed it has to do with the fossil

2639
01:52:22,140 --> 01:52:21,010
fuel industry the major corporations

2640
01:52:24,439 --> 01:52:22,150
they're impacted by an economic

2641
01:52:26,970 --> 01:52:24,449
development Water Resources

2642
01:52:28,950 --> 01:52:26,980
transportation electrical energy there's

2643
01:52:31,379 --> 01:52:28,960
thirteen whole different sectors that

2644
01:52:34,350 --> 01:52:31,389
we're addressing but at a short time

2645
01:52:37,020 --> 01:52:34,360
we'll get we'll get a permission to

2646
01:52:38,669 --> 01:52:37,030
release this 50 page outline it's a lot

2647
01:52:41,040 --> 01:52:38,679
more than that you know the nine page

2648
01:52:46,950 --> 01:52:41,050
you know House bill that was introduced

2649
01:52:49,410 --> 01:52:46,960
by by OAC and Ed Markey and it's more a

2650
01:52:51,569 --> 01:52:49,420
lot more thorough than Bernie's I'm not

2651
01:52:53,160 --> 01:52:51,579
sure ting them but you know this is a

2652
01:52:55,200 --> 01:52:53,170
this is one that can be passed in

2653
01:52:57,569 --> 01:52:55,210
California because we have a

2654
01:52:59,729 --> 01:52:57,579
supermajority in both the assembly and

2655
01:53:01,770 --> 01:52:59,739
in the state Senate and a governor

2656
01:53:03,209 --> 01:53:01,780
little sign it into law we have to be

2657
01:53:05,790 --> 01:53:03,219
able to demonstrate that this can be

2658
01:53:08,790 --> 01:53:05,800
done in California to act as a template

2659
01:53:10,319 --> 01:53:08,800
in leadership for the whole country so

2660
01:53:12,629 --> 01:53:10,329
that I'm going to be talking about the

2661
01:53:15,209 --> 01:53:12,639
green New Deal statute and this whole

2662
01:53:17,189 --> 01:53:15,219
new paradigm movement in the world

2663
01:53:21,750 --> 01:53:17,199
well how we can all work together to

2664
01:53:24,030 --> 01:53:21,760
bring dramatic change to our planet and

2665
01:53:26,990 --> 01:53:24,040
to help save our species not from

2666
01:53:29,609 --> 01:53:27,000
ourselves thank you so much Daniel and

2667
01:53:34,950 --> 01:53:29,619
keep rolling that rock uphill my friend

2668
01:53:37,470 --> 01:53:34,960
and you know it's comforting for me to

2669
01:53:39,859 --> 01:53:37,480
know that when I get in trouble I've got

2670
01:53:42,660 --> 01:53:39,869
your phone number and that's all I need

2671
01:53:45,839 --> 01:53:42,670
safe travels out here to California we

2672
01:53:47,910 --> 01:53:45,849
will break bread once again Thank You

2673
01:53:51,209 --> 01:53:47,920
Jimmy people keep the phone number 12

2674
01:53:54,149 --> 01:53:51,219
I'll talk to you Dan you'll be easy and

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Daniels links are right there at a Jimmy

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Church radio.com the Romero

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institute.org

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and everything that you need to

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reference all of Daniels work is right

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there over a Jimmy Church radio.com

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I'm going to take a quick break right

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here Thank You Daniel safe travels

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this is fade to black I am your host

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Jimmy Church you can follow me on

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twitter @ JH radio you can also follow

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Daniel on Twitter Daniel P underscore

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Shin right there on Twitter

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this is fade to black in the game

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changer Network I'll be right back and